Those who tip well generally make up for those who don’t. And those who don’t tip DO pay the restaurant.
What would happen if tips were removed and prices adjusted so the price for everyone was the average of bill+tips?
The cheap bastards who don’t tip right now but keep the business afloat would stop going out because it’s “too expensive,” and those who tip well would be paying a lower average price, so there would end up being less money going to the restaurant AND the staff, while all the fixed expenses would stay the same.
Reality is the current shitty system actually maximizes income for waitstaff.
Waiting tables is one of the few career paths where someone can make a living wage without any special certifications, licenses, or education. Tips are why that works.
Been to several countries and the ones without tipping do not have what would be considered great service here in the US. It was never terrible but if you ever need anything, flagging down a waiter is a pain in the ass. Not that I really care much.
My experience is that the culture is slightly different. You know how rude it is to raise your hand to get a waiter’s attention? Generally it’s the opposite and that approach is preferred. They don’t want to bother you unless you need them and that’s fine.
I’ve had this happen (once) in Ireland before where she came to us twice in about 5 mins, it’s pretty fucking annoying. Asked the girl to set a timer on her watch for 20mins and she’d feel less pressed for time serving everybody else.
Then they can go somewhere that doesn’t expect tips. They’re so disgusted with tipping culture that they refused to tip, yet they still want to give their money to the places that encourage it.
I used to work in a restaurant.I got paid $2 less than minimum wage and split tips with the rest of the staff, guaranteed to make at least minimum wage. What would have MAXIMIZED my income would be getting minimum wage as a base pay + tips. All this system does is subsidize the cost of labor for restaurant owners. I get it, running a successful restaurant is tough business if you’re not loaded. Running ANY successful business is tough. Tipping systems favor the business owners primarily over staff and consumers.
I would also assume that a basic minimum wage plus tips system would lead to all but the most generous guests to stop tipping as well. Which would lead to restaurant owners trying to drive talent retention through pay and benefits, rather than relying on the quality of the clientele and their tipping behavior.
the real argument should be “TIPPED WAGE ISNT A REAL WAGE”
Those who tip well generally make up for those who don’t. And those who don’t tip DO pay the restaurant.
What would happen if tips were removed and prices adjusted so the price for everyone was the average of bill+tips?
The cheap bastards who don’t tip right now but keep the business afloat would stop going out because it’s “too expensive,” and those who tip well would be paying a lower average price, so there would end up being less money going to the restaurant AND the staff, while all the fixed expenses would stay the same.
Reality is the current shitty system actually maximizes income for waitstaff.
Waiting tables is one of the few career paths where someone can make a living wage without any special certifications, licenses, or education. Tips are why that works.
And yet somehow other countries have less / no tipping; and restaurants still exist.
Better restaurants with better service too lol
Been to several countries and the ones without tipping do not have what would be considered great service here in the US. It was never terrible but if you ever need anything, flagging down a waiter is a pain in the ass. Not that I really care much.
My experience is that the culture is slightly different. You know how rude it is to raise your hand to get a waiter’s attention? Generally it’s the opposite and that approach is preferred. They don’t want to bother you unless you need them and that’s fine.
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It’s called ‘the vast majority of the world’.
Japan is a great example. But it applies in most of Europe and South East Asia too in my experience.
I’ve had this happen (once) in Ireland before where she came to us twice in about 5 mins, it’s pretty fucking annoying. Asked the girl to set a timer on her watch for 20mins and she’d feel less pressed for time serving everybody else.
So you believe it doesn’t work in the rest of the world?
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Cheap bastards still need to eat.
Then they can go somewhere that doesn’t expect tips. They’re so disgusted with tipping culture that they refused to tip, yet they still want to give their money to the places that encourage it.
I mean, no
I used to work in a restaurant.I got paid $2 less than minimum wage and split tips with the rest of the staff, guaranteed to make at least minimum wage. What would have MAXIMIZED my income would be getting minimum wage as a base pay + tips. All this system does is subsidize the cost of labor for restaurant owners. I get it, running a successful restaurant is tough business if you’re not loaded. Running ANY successful business is tough. Tipping systems favor the business owners primarily over staff and consumers.
I would also assume that a basic minimum wage plus tips system would lead to all but the most generous guests to stop tipping as well. Which would lead to restaurant owners trying to drive talent retention through pay and benefits, rather than relying on the quality of the clientele and their tipping behavior.
lmao imagine thinking being too expensive ever kept Americans from eating out