Nobody has proposed invading or nuking North Korea, Russia or China as far as I know. The only people threatening nuclear attacks recently is Russia. “OMG look what you made me do” is classic abuser/narcissistic bullshit.
“OMG look what you made me do” is classic abuser/narcissistic bullshit.
Trying to make sense of general geopolitics and the interests of nation states through the lense of human psychology and interpersonal relationships is the most baby-brained lib shit possible.
Human behavior in groups is remarkably similar to other interpersonal interactions. I’m not embarrassed if something who agrees with this absurd post thinks something silly about me. Amazingly, political interactions are conducted by people.
This isn’t a strictly factual issue for which a citation can be provided. Also, it’s fairly clear that in this environment, any citation I provided would be shot down and questioned. That’s my personal interpretation of political behavior and you are obviously free to disagree.
This isn’t a strictly factual issue for which a citation can be provided.
So basically “It came to me in a dream.”
Also, it’s fairly clear that in this environment, any citation I provided would be shot down
More likely that it’s a claim that is incredibly unlikely for you to be able to back up because it as an absurd and ridiculous thing to believe on its face, which is precisely why you are being asked to support your claim.
and questioned
Oh no, horror of all horrors! We wouldn’t want to risk discussion and dialog in a space explicitly intended for exactly those things!
If you just want to say some bullshit and have it pass without comment, you can accomplish that by shouting into the void. There’s no reason to post publicly if that’s all you want to do.
I responded to your claim pretty clearly when I said
it’s a claim that is incredibly unlikely for you to be able to back up because it as an absurd and ridiculous thing to believe on its face, which is precisely why you are being asked to support your claim.
Just because you don’t agree with my characterization of your claim doesn’t mean I didn’t respond to it.
That seems disingenuous or ignorant. Ever since WW2 the US has pointed nuclear weapons against these countries and their allies. That was the zeitgeist of the last several decades.
Political boundaries and names might have changed since then, but nuclear weapons didn’t become irrelevant. In fact, those nations have only grown up in the shadows of possible nuclear annihilation by the US.
Especially North Korea, born out of the Korean War which involved all the nations in question against the US which was ready to wipe Korea out of existence just to “contain” communism. Why do you think they are so militaristic and intent on having nuclear deterrents? Their alternative is experiencing genocide once again.
That’s fine, but I’d note that 10-12 other countries are ready at all times to retaliate with nuclear weapons, so not sure why you singled out the US. The US has not championed offensive use of nuclear weapons since maybe 70 years ago. The only countries that have lately are Pakistan, India, NK and Russia.
Yes, 79 years ago. No US politician has proposed attacking anyone with nuclear weapons since maybe the 50s. So… who has? Hmm, Russia. maybe we could discuss that.
“Look they shot that hostage an hour ago, they’ve only been menacing everyone in the room with a gun since then. I think you’re overreacting here guys.”
Yes, of course, 10-12 different countries don’t have nuclear weapons and the Russians of course do not have nuclear armed submarines and dead-man hands ready to retaliate. Only the BAD United States.
Yes, of course, 10-12 different countries don’t have nuclear weapons and the Russians of course do not have nuclear armed submarines and dead-man hands ready to retaliate. Only the BAD United States.
It seems as though you’re saying you agree with the post and you recognize that US foreign policy and militarization is incredibly dangerous and deadly. If you think they’re all bad, then that means you agree that the US is bad. The only thing indicating that you disagree is the fact that the tone of your writing comes across as if you think the point you’re making is some kind of epic comeback.
But since the subject of the post has nothing to do with Russia’s nuclear policy or the policy of any other state, you’ve simply invented an assumed position so that you have something to be mad at. You’re boxing with a ghostly apparition of your own making and pretending that counts as a victory.
That’s fine. I’m not a huge fan of US foreign policy. What I question is the endless “Russia and China are fantastic but you know who is really bad?? Definitely the United States” theme I’ve been seeing.
You’re ignoring their value as a deterrent, I know this because several others have brought this to your attention already. One nation used nukes on another. Other nations developed them explicitly as a deterrent. Luckily for us, so far, the deterrent has worked.
But still, the actions of the other people in the room, to return to my analogy, are a rational response to a rogue state with a superweapon it was clearly willing to use on civilians.
So, back in reality, yes, the US use of nuclear weapons ~80 years ago was not a good or moral decision. If you want to criticize people who have discussed using them since then, it sure as fuck isn’t “libs”.
First strike policy. No US politican needs to “propose” anything so long as that doctrine is in place, it’s already a constant threat to any country that dares question US hegemony.
And what the Russians are saying is “If you nuke us we’ll nuke you back” which is an entirely different thing.
Nope, that’s not what they said. Obviously people here are not discussing anything in good faith, so it’s fairly useless, but Russian state media said if NATO interfered with their illegal and immoral massacre in Ukraine, they just might have to use nuclear weapons. Show me where the US said that.
That’s actually US policy and what I questioned. US POlicy is “If you nuke us we’ll nuke you back”. Show me where US has proposed first strike nuclear attack other than 80 years ago. And yes, the strike on Japan was immoral and unnecessary, but it’s not like Japan was being super cool either.
The US has used nukes twice, has the second largest arsenal, and was ready to pull them out in the conflicts which shaped these nations’ histories. That’s why I focused on the US and not, like, South Africa
Why do offensive claims matter here anyway? It was never brought up except by you
Okay, could you explain to me what this bizarre and clueless meme says? “Libs” want to massacre everyone living in several major countries, but will also cause them to attack everyone with nuclear weapons? Why and how could anyone take this seriously?
My interpretation is that liberals are so far removed from reality yet moved by their ideological positioning that they really will do the unthinkable to their ideological enemies without thinking
It could be with nukes, other WMDs, or just plain brutality. Mutually assured destruction or even retaliation or resistance by the brutalized in general is irrelevant. Libs do not care about human consequences in general. Those on the fringe of society as defined by them suffer, but it’s not important as long as their personal interests are furthered.
Why this is serious is that it has been the cause of great human tragedy for many years now. This is a meme though, and it’s more meant to express all of this that I’ve overexplained in a not so serious way, to those who recognize it.
The gist of the meme is that liberals are heavily propagandized and will call for the annihilation of those their propaganda marks as the enemy, and will do so at any cost up to and including nuclear exchanges.
Nobody has proposed invading or nuking North Korea, Russia or China as far as I know. The only people threatening nuclear attacks recently is Russia. “OMG look what you made me do” is classic abuser/narcissistic bullshit.
Trying to make sense of general geopolitics and the interests of nation states through the lense of human psychology and interpersonal relationships is the most baby-brained lib shit possible.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Human behavior in groups is remarkably similar to other interpersonal interactions. I’m not embarrassed if something who agrees with this absurd post thinks something silly about me. Amazingly, political interactions are conducted by people.
Alright, good luck with that lmao
yes, comments with “lmao” are often very well reasoned and thought provoking. Thanks.
yes, of course, someone else’s graphic! that was very well thought out and persuasive.
Citation strongly needed that governments act with the psychology of an individual human.
This isn’t a strictly factual issue for which a citation can be provided. Also, it’s fairly clear that in this environment, any citation I provided would be shot down and questioned. That’s my personal interpretation of political behavior and you are obviously free to disagree.
So basically “It came to me in a dream.”
More likely that it’s a claim that is incredibly unlikely for you to be able to back up because it as an absurd and ridiculous thing to believe on its face, which is precisely why you are being asked to support your claim.
Oh no, horror of all horrors! We wouldn’t want to risk discussion and dialog in a space explicitly intended for exactly those things!
If you just want to say some bullshit and have it pass without comment, you can accomplish that by shouting into the void. There’s no reason to post publicly if that’s all you want to do.
But you didn’t actually respond to anything I asserted, so…
I responded to your claim pretty clearly when I said
Just because you don’t agree with my characterization of your claim doesn’t mean I didn’t respond to it.
Could we get this added to the top bar? I feel like it’s in theme with the other quotes up there.
Yes, of course. Rather than respond reasonably, threaten to mock me on some sort of circlejerk.
Was someone debating something? Okay, that’s my fetish. Let’s go.
Please lib, we know of your nuclear genocidal bloodthirst.
Sure, clearly a very reasonable and well thought out comment. I just can’t wait!
Sure is odd how people here (we are so “leftist!!”) loathe the American liberals but never complain about the fascists we have.
That seems disingenuous or ignorant. Ever since WW2 the US has pointed nuclear weapons against these countries and their allies. That was the zeitgeist of the last several decades.
Political boundaries and names might have changed since then, but nuclear weapons didn’t become irrelevant. In fact, those nations have only grown up in the shadows of possible nuclear annihilation by the US.
Especially North Korea, born out of the Korean War which involved all the nations in question against the US which was ready to wipe Korea out of existence just to “contain” communism. Why do you think they are so militaristic and intent on having nuclear deterrents? Their alternative is experiencing genocide once again.
That’s fine, but I’d note that 10-12 other countries are ready at all times to retaliate with nuclear weapons, so not sure why you singled out the US. The US has not championed offensive use of nuclear weapons since maybe 70 years ago. The only countries that have lately are Pakistan, India, NK and Russia.
The US is the only country that has a first nuclear strike policy, and is also the only country that has ever actually used nukes offensively.
Bad horsey.
Yes, 79 years ago. No US politician has proposed attacking anyone with nuclear weapons since maybe the 50s. So… who has? Hmm, Russia. maybe we could discuss that.
“Look they shot that hostage an hour ago, they’ve only been menacing everyone in the room with a gun since then. I think you’re overreacting here guys.”
Yes, of course, 10-12 different countries don’t have nuclear weapons and the Russians of course do not have nuclear armed submarines and dead-man hands ready to retaliate. Only the BAD United States.
It seems as though you’re saying you agree with the post and you recognize that US foreign policy and militarization is incredibly dangerous and deadly. If you think they’re all bad, then that means you agree that the US is bad. The only thing indicating that you disagree is the fact that the tone of your writing comes across as if you think the point you’re making is some kind of epic comeback.
But since the subject of the post has nothing to do with Russia’s nuclear policy or the policy of any other state, you’ve simply invented an assumed position so that you have something to be mad at. You’re boxing with a ghostly apparition of your own making and pretending that counts as a victory.
That’s fine. I’m not a huge fan of US foreign policy. What I question is the endless “Russia and China are fantastic but you know who is really bad?? Definitely the United States” theme I’ve been seeing.
You’re ignoring their value as a deterrent, I know this because several others have brought this to your attention already. One nation used nukes on another. Other nations developed them explicitly as a deterrent. Luckily for us, so far, the deterrent has worked.
But still, the actions of the other people in the room, to return to my analogy, are a rational response to a rogue state with a superweapon it was clearly willing to use on civilians.
So, back in reality, yes, the US use of nuclear weapons ~80 years ago was not a good or moral decision. If you want to criticize people who have discussed using them since then, it sure as fuck isn’t “libs”.
First strike policy. No US politican needs to “propose” anything so long as that doctrine is in place, it’s already a constant threat to any country that dares question US hegemony.
And what the Russians are saying is “If you nuke us we’ll nuke you back” which is an entirely different thing.
Nope, that’s not what they said. Obviously people here are not discussing anything in good faith, so it’s fairly useless, but Russian state media said if NATO interfered with their illegal and immoral massacre in Ukraine, they just might have to use nuclear weapons. Show me where the US said that.
Could you actually show what you’re saying here, it would help your case if you provided an example of Russian officials saying something concrete.
That’s actually US policy and what I questioned. US POlicy is “If you nuke us we’ll nuke you back”. Show me where US has proposed first strike nuclear attack other than 80 years ago. And yes, the strike on Japan was immoral and unnecessary, but it’s not like Japan was being super cool either.
That’s actually what Putin is saying.
Whereas the US: “Current U.S. policy does not restrict the president’s ability to order a nuclear strike for any reason at any time. The military may reject an order that is perceived to violate laws of war, and there are legal concerns about the role of Congress authorizing the use of force, but as a matter of broad understanding, the president can launch nuclear weapons when and if s/he chose to.”
Ah yes, for a very honest interpretation of international events I often turn to Putin’s statements.
The US has used nukes twice, has the second largest arsenal, and was ready to pull them out in the conflicts which shaped these nations’ histories. That’s why I focused on the US and not, like, South Africa
Why do offensive claims matter here anyway? It was never brought up except by you
Okay, could you explain to me what this bizarre and clueless meme says? “Libs” want to massacre everyone living in several major countries, but will also cause them to attack everyone with nuclear weapons? Why and how could anyone take this seriously?
My interpretation is that liberals are so far removed from reality yet moved by their ideological positioning that they really will do the unthinkable to their ideological enemies without thinking
It could be with nukes, other WMDs, or just plain brutality. Mutually assured destruction or even retaliation or resistance by the brutalized in general is irrelevant. Libs do not care about human consequences in general. Those on the fringe of society as defined by them suffer, but it’s not important as long as their personal interests are furthered.
Why this is serious is that it has been the cause of great human tragedy for many years now. This is a meme though, and it’s more meant to express all of this that I’ve overexplained in a not so serious way, to those who recognize it.
Wait so your main point is that the meme is hyperbolic? I mean… yeah, I guess.
The gist of the meme is that liberals are heavily propagandized and will call for the annihilation of those their propaganda marks as the enemy, and will do so at any cost up to and including nuclear exchanges.