As a Linux newcomer the Wayland/X11 thing has been the most confusing thing I’ve witnessed.
Surely the average person will just use what works best on their system at that time? I don’t get people wishing to throw Wayland in the trash or the people who take issue with people still using X11.
Kinda just seems like arguing because you have nothing better to do.
It’s an age old Linux tradition. We argue about window managers, init systems, sound systems, and anything else we can. Often it’s because people have built a hacked together system based on what used to work for them. Relevant XKCD
And it’s fine when it’s about a roughly equal choice. But Wayland is vastly superior in support and X11 vastly superior in functionality, so I don’t get this argument.
If I could find a compositor for Wayland (and a simple terminal emulator like urxvt, no opengl for acceleration please) as easy and quick to set up as cwm for X11 (with something like dzen2) or fvwm - the issue wouldn’t exist for me personally.
And, here me out here: this is a good thing. Nay, a beautiful thing. There are no better things to do because these people care and have a voice. We argue about things for years and make slow progress as people agree or capitulate, and there will always be a fork to avoid those changes people care to enough. No one can just buy the Linux ecosystem and make unpopular changes without broad support. I’m pretty sure a negligible number of people have genuine hatred or prejudice for those using a technology they don’t like. The arguing of Linux and Open Source is a reflection of the most successful form of worldwide democracy ever implemented by mankind.
More people using Wayland would mean faster development of Wayland, and developers being more pressured to natively support it. Especially Nvidia and Electron support is still horrible. And especially from a security standpoint, Wayland is just better.
On my Nvidia desktop, there are tons of glitches, especially in games and other demanding apps (as well as electron). On my Intel Laptop, everything is perfectly fine. So good in fact, that I only see one difference to X11: The better security.
I’m aware of the better security and the desktop first approached Wayland has, Which is why I’m hoping I can fully switch sooner than later.
Sadly I’m also running an Nvidia GPU and had too many annoying problems on Wayland to use it right now. I am also planning to switch to fully AMD next time I get the chance.
Ubuntu LTS and 23.x are both Xorg. Latest has Wayland. If 24.04 is to be LTS though, I don’t think they’d release it with Wayland as default. I’d think they’d switch to Wayland on 24.10 so there’s 3 more releases to get good before the next LTS build.
I don’t usually “trust” vendor support for Linux though…Linux is usually a second-class citizen and “support” means there is either a single grey-beard or an intern that’s answering emails about it. Idk about StudioOne, but unfortunately it’s usually expected to not have feature parity or complete documentation for commercial software on Linux. IME, YMMV, etc.
As a Linux newcomer the Wayland/X11 thing has been the most confusing thing I’ve witnessed.
Surely the average person will just use what works best on their system at that time? I don’t get people wishing to throw Wayland in the trash or the people who take issue with people still using X11.
Kinda just seems like arguing because you have nothing better to do.
It’s an age old Linux tradition. We argue about window managers, init systems, sound systems, and anything else we can. Often it’s because people have built a hacked together system based on what used to work for them. Relevant XKCD
Hahaha that damn spacebar heating in KDE 4.2 was really lit
And it’s fine when it’s about a roughly equal choice. But Wayland is vastly superior in support and X11 vastly superior in functionality, so I don’t get this argument.
If I could find a compositor for Wayland (and a simple terminal emulator like urxvt, no opengl for acceleration please) as easy and quick to set up as cwm for X11 (with something like dzen2) or fvwm - the issue wouldn’t exist for me personally.
When we don’t have Windows or Mac users to feel superior against, we will invent issues amongst ourselves.
You don’t seem confused at all. You summed it up nicely.
And, here me out here: this is a good thing. Nay, a beautiful thing. There are no better things to do because these people care and have a voice. We argue about things for years and make slow progress as people agree or capitulate, and there will always be a fork to avoid those changes people care to enough. No one can just buy the Linux ecosystem and make unpopular changes without broad support. I’m pretty sure a negligible number of people have genuine hatred or prejudice for those using a technology they don’t like. The arguing of Linux and Open Source is a reflection of the most successful form of worldwide democracy ever implemented by mankind.
i started using linux 3 years ago because i literally didn’t have nothing better todo ‘-’
Welcome to the Linux community!
Seriously, though. Just use what you want (as long as it’s working and supported, of course). Don’t let anyone here pressure you.
More people using Wayland would mean faster development of Wayland, and developers being more pressured to natively support it. Especially Nvidia and Electron support is still horrible. And especially from a security standpoint, Wayland is just better.
On my Nvidia desktop, there are tons of glitches, especially in games and other demanding apps (as well as electron). On my Intel Laptop, everything is perfectly fine. So good in fact, that I only see one difference to X11: The better security.
I’m aware of the better security and the desktop first approached Wayland has, Which is why I’m hoping I can fully switch sooner than later.
Sadly I’m also running an Nvidia GPU and had too many annoying problems on Wayland to use it right now. I am also planning to switch to fully AMD next time I get the chance.
Just use a Distro that has it preset. Ubuntu, Fedora, I dont know what else.
Ubuntu LTS and 23.x are both Xorg. Latest has Wayland. If 24.04 is to be LTS though, I don’t think they’d release it with Wayland as default. I’d think they’d switch to Wayland on 24.10 so there’s 3 more releases to get good before the next LTS build.
Damn… so StudioOne on their “Linux info page” was wrong. They only support Ubuntu (sigh…) but also only Wayland.
A good start for a Flatpak? Maybe if it wasnt proprietary…
Possible I’m wrong? I was going against the Distrowatch details since I was just looking at them a couple hours before I replied: https://distrowatch.com/table-mobile.php?distribution=ubuntu
I don’t usually “trust” vendor support for Linux though…Linux is usually a second-class citizen and “support” means there is either a single grey-beard or an intern that’s answering emails about it. Idk about StudioOne, but unfortunately it’s usually expected to not have feature parity or complete documentation for commercial software on Linux. IME, YMMV, etc.
They dont support it at all currently but have an experimental version. As if that was too much, with their software costing 200€+
I’m pretty sure 22.04 and newer are Wayland.
My mistake, then. I haven’t really used Ubuntu much since focal. I was going off the package list in distrowatch.