I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016. I didn’t vote.

In 2020 I voted for Trump because knew Biden would be bad. He has done better than I expected but the inflation is killing me and the focus on the wrong thing isn’t helping.

Early on I was a De Santis fan but my interest has waned as he has taken hard stances on things that need compromise.

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    That isn’t correct. We have cases from October that have been identified. If China hadn’t lied, we have had a beer chance to detect it… It was out before we could have done anything.

    Here is the cite for it being in Spain in march., 2019. Nine months before the outbreaks. Surprised you hadn’t heard this before because experts have been talking about this for a long time.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science-idINKBN23X2HQ/

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      We have cases from October that have been identified.

      No, we don’t. There were no COVID-19 cases identified in Spain prior to March 2020.

      Here is the cite for it being in Spain in march., 2019.

      This is a trace of a coronavirus found in a Spanish sewershed sample in 2020, but no one’s disputing that coronaviruses were not in circulation in Spain in March 2019 or at any other time. But it’s not COVID-19 or from any infected individual.

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        We. America.

        Coronavirus circulate all the time. It’s the common cold.

        The virus found was Covid.

        From the article.

        Spanish virologists have found traces of the novel coronavirus in a sample of Barcelona waste water collected in March 2019, nine months before the COVID-19 disease was identified in China, the University of Barcelona said on Friday

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          The virus found was Covid.

          No, they didn’t find virus. They found genetic fragments that, when sequenced, aligned to a variant of the COVID-19 genome that didn’t exist at the time the sample was collected.

          It’s a bioinformatic false positive, like that study that found “bubonic plague” in New York subways. The “best sequence alignment” is not the same thing as “is actually that disease.” It just means that it’s what’s closest in the database. But something is always closest.

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            So you are saying the article is wrong? It’s nothing I’ve followed up on much but I’ve seen many articles state it was Covid. The article clearly states Covid.

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              So you are saying the article is wrong?

              Did you look up the paper? They explain their methodology and results, and it’s not “we isolated live virus from this sample and confirmed it was COVID-19 Wuhan-1.”

              The “trace” they found was a genomic fragment, that, when amplified by an error-prone process and sequenced, best-matched a region of a COVID-19 genome that didn’t exist on Earth when the sample was collected. It’s not a “case of COVID-19 from March 2019” because COVID-19 didn’t exist on planet Earth in March 2019.

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                No, I didn’t not. I relied on the quote from the project leader who said it was Covid 19

                The levels of SARS-CoV-2 were low but were positive,” research leader Albert Bosch was quoted as saying by the university.

                It’s stated it’s either Covid or a false positive due to sample contamination.

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                  It’s stated it’s either Covid or a false positive due to sample contamination.

                  I told you it was a false positive.

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                    You said due to sequencing. That wasn’t an option they have. They said false positive due to contamination. The two are not the same