It’s alright, we can agree to disagree. Biden has criticized the Netanyahu government for their treatment of Palestinians. More should be done to ensure their safety, hence the conditial provisions of arms, but the United States policy stance has clear ambitions for a 2 state solution. Neither Hamas, nor the Netantahu government are okay with this, however it remains the United States ambition. I truly hope we can see this conflict resolved in my lifetime.
As far as I’m aware, the US has not fired any weapons on Gaza soil. There’s been some defensive strikes to the north in Lebanon, but that’s it. Seems like a stretch to call the United States complicit when it’s goals do not align with the Netantahu government.
The vetoes are enough. The weapons and aid sent just make them one step away from pulling the trigger themselves.
The US will be held accountable for this genocide.
Vetoing a ceasefire in an active war does not change states policy and actions, but you can spin this however you’d like and we can agree to disagree. There’s nothing wrong with disagreement, it just spurs the need for thoughtful discourse.
The US could have ended it 2 months ago, but instead it sends weapons and stops any international attempt at stopping it. It is complicit and all the resistance groups across the Middle East agree. US interests in the Middle East and military are legitimate targets. We can agree to disagree, but the US government will be held accountable for its war crimes.
As any nation/organization should be. The US is not exempt from international law, but fortunately has a remarkably solid argument in defense of its actions here.
It would be naive to think the strength of a nation in international relations is not a waxing/waning manor. It’s of upmost importance to maintain policy that echos the opinions of a collective humanity.
Being genocided isn’t a disagreement. It is amazing how you can be so racist and defend bombardment against the Palestinians in particular but oppose it against the Ukrainians.
but racism explains why you are defending a genocide against the Palestinians. You would be singing a completely different tune if the people being murdered were relatively civilized relatively european.
where does your double standards come from, unless you don’t see the Palestinians as equally humans?
You still haven’t been able to back up your claim that the USA is putting the breaks on it’s aid of Isreal because of the genocide. All you’ve done is point to the US going “we’d like it if you slowed down on the genocide, but we’ll 100 support you if you don’t” and tried to equivocate that as being the same, when it really isn’t.
I said pumping the breaks. There’s still legitimate concern for the removal of Hamas as the acting government of Gaza. Neither Hamas, nor the Netantahu backed Israeli government want a 2 state solution, however this remains the US states policy. Whoever can broker a deal that affirms a 2 state solution here will hopefully produce meaningful change towards this conflict.
US aid is conditional to congressional support. Currently there’s debate on the issue at hand. Doesn’t remove the impact humanitarian aid has provided in the region. The 2 state solution has always been the desired solution here in the states. That position has been unwavering.
No, but if you’d like to make that conclusion, it’s well within your right to do so. This is why I support our democratic process and the debate it garnishes!
The United States official policy is for a 2 state solution, I’m not sure how you can see it any other way. Feel free to present your arguments though!
I’m glad I could present you with thoughtful alternatives to your beliefs. It’s important for civil discourse. This has been a largely productive and positive discussion, thank you for your input and civility!
Did anyone ever tell you the saying “actions speak louder than words” as a kid? Now apply that to state actors. No matter what words their US uses, no matter their criticism, their actions are very clear.
Yes absolutely. That’s why it’s imperative to understand when Putin said we’re not going to invade Ukraine, while staging troops along the Ukraine border, then choosing to in invade the foreign country after the Olympics concluded. Understanding here highlights the wrongful actions Russia knowingly committed, at the direction of Putin, against a sovereign nation. The international community has decided to push back against these attrocities and the ICC will adjudicate the war crimes committed in the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
John McCain and Lindsay Graham told neo nazis to go cement the damage done by the 2014 coup and they went and electrocuted babushkas through the kidneys. They build grandmas different in Donetsk so she kept on fighting. Online Ukraine supporters don’t have it in them. I’m surprised you haven’t moved back to trashing 🇻🇪
Nothing wrong with hyperlinks, however a footnote section makes for a better format. Many of these hyperlinks don’t even relate to the word that was linked. It just makes it look as if something backs the claim being made. They’re littered everywhere and the few I clicked, didn’t have much relevance. Footnotes make it easier to see where each stems from and allow the reader to understand potential bias easier. Care to link to peer reviewed academic articles on one of the subjects? I’d be glad to dig in, but so far I’m reading propaganda sprinkled with a few true statements to produce a sense of legitimacy. It’s misinformation campaign 101.
I won’t entertain bad faith arguments, but I’d recommend you read up more on the Maidan to gain some historical context. You’ll likely make some alterations to your opinion, and shatter bits of your worldview. Also there’s plenty of peer reviewed academic papers on the Maidan, e.g. https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt1zkjxq0.11
It’s alright, we can agree to disagree. Biden has criticized the Netanyahu government for their treatment of Palestinians. More should be done to ensure their safety, hence the conditial provisions of arms, but the United States policy stance has clear ambitions for a 2 state solution. Neither Hamas, nor the Netantahu government are okay with this, however it remains the United States ambition. I truly hope we can see this conflict resolved in my lifetime.
20,000 Palestinians are dead because of Joe Biden. You can’t spin it any other way. The US under Biden is guilty of genocide.
As far as I’m aware, the US has not fired any weapons on Gaza soil. There’s been some defensive strikes to the north in Lebanon, but that’s it. Seems like a stretch to call the United States complicit when it’s goals do not align with the Netantahu government.
The vetoes are enough. The weapons and aid sent just make them one step away from pulling the trigger themselves. The US will be held accountable for this genocide.
Vetoing a ceasefire in an active war does not change states policy and actions, but you can spin this however you’d like and we can agree to disagree. There’s nothing wrong with disagreement, it just spurs the need for thoughtful discourse.
The US could have ended it 2 months ago, but instead it sends weapons and stops any international attempt at stopping it. It is complicit and all the resistance groups across the Middle East agree. US interests in the Middle East and military are legitimate targets. We can agree to disagree, but the US government will be held accountable for its war crimes.
As any nation/organization should be. The US is not exempt from international law, but fortunately has a remarkably solid argument in defense of its actions here.
Might is right is only a valid argument when you know you will never be weak. International Law applies equally to all otherwise.
It would be naive to think the strength of a nation in international relations is not a waxing/waning manor. It’s of upmost importance to maintain policy that echos the opinions of a collective humanity.
Nothing defensive about it. Israel is the aggressor and the US is the enabler.
Sounds like we can agree to disagree, there’s nothing wrong with that when democracy reigns!
Being genocided isn’t a disagreement. It is amazing how you can be so racist and defend bombardment against the Palestinians in particular but oppose it against the Ukrainians.
I haven’t brought race into this discourse and plan to keep it that way. This is discussing country policy decisions.
but racism explains why you are defending a genocide against the Palestinians. You would be singing a completely different tune if the people being murdered were relatively civilized relatively european.
where does your double standards come from, unless you don’t see the Palestinians as equally humans?
I disagree, the promotion of a 2 state solution in Israel parallels the states policy for the protection of Ukrainian sovereignty.
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Is this supposed to mean something? It’s interesting to see Bush wearing a furry suit to say the least!
This really opened my mind, thank you. It’s wild what westerners will want to believe. I’m assuming that lemmy isn’t big enough for bots yet.
“You stop killing people now, ok?”, I said to the active shooter after handing them an AK-47 and 2000 rounds of munition, as well as hand grenades.
I’m glad I could help to open your mind to change! I appreciate the thoughtful debate, we need more of this in public discourse!
You still haven’t been able to back up your claim that the USA is putting the breaks on it’s aid of Isreal because of the genocide. All you’ve done is point to the US going “we’d like it if you slowed down on the genocide, but we’ll 100 support you if you don’t” and tried to equivocate that as being the same, when it really isn’t.
I said pumping the breaks. There’s still legitimate concern for the removal of Hamas as the acting government of Gaza. Neither Hamas, nor the Netantahu backed Israeli government want a 2 state solution, however this remains the US states policy. Whoever can broker a deal that affirms a 2 state solution here will hopefully produce meaningful change towards this conflict.
Doesn’t change anything about my point.
Incorrect. And you don’t see the USA sending endless, unconditional, military aid to Palestine so they can remove the Israeli government.
Hamas explicitly calls for a 2 state solution you lying ghoul.
Not true, not until the US recognises the state of Palestine.
Going to be pretty hard to do while Isreal and the USA are committed to genocide.
US aid is conditional to congressional support. Currently there’s debate on the issue at hand. Doesn’t remove the impact humanitarian aid has provided in the region. The 2 state solution has always been the desired solution here in the states. That position has been unwavering.
So you lied and you admit it.
You’ve already been told that the USA doesn’t hold the two state solution and why.
No, but if you’d like to make that conclusion, it’s well within your right to do so. This is why I support our democratic process and the debate it garnishes!
The United States official policy is for a 2 state solution, I’m not sure how you can see it any other way. Feel free to present your arguments though!
I have, you ignored them and reasserted your thesis
I’m glad I could present you with thoughtful alternatives to your beliefs. It’s important for civil discourse. This has been a largely productive and positive discussion, thank you for your input and civility!
Did anyone ever tell you the saying “actions speak louder than words” as a kid? Now apply that to state actors. No matter what words their US uses, no matter their criticism, their actions are very clear.
Yes absolutely. That’s why it’s imperative to understand when Putin said we’re not going to invade Ukraine, while staging troops along the Ukraine border, then choosing to in invade the foreign country after the Olympics concluded. Understanding here highlights the wrongful actions Russia knowingly committed, at the direction of Putin, against a sovereign nation. The international community has decided to push back against these attrocities and the ICC will adjudicate the war crimes committed in the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
John McCain and Lindsay Graham told neo nazis to go cement the damage done by the 2014 coup and they went and electrocuted babushkas through the kidneys. They build grandmas different in Donetsk so she kept on fighting. Online Ukraine supporters don’t have it in them. I’m surprised you haven’t moved back to trashing 🇻🇪
https://sputnikglobe.com/20230721/the-truth-about-ukrainian-war-crimes-against-donbass-civilians-1112031958.html
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/12/11/ukrainian-maidan-massacre-false-flag/
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2023/07/17/the-lord-of-the-underworld-meet-the-paratrooper-from-north-carolina-who-orchestrated-the-war-in-ukraine/
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2023/02/03/how-a-network-of-nazi-propagandists-helped-lay-the-groundwork-for-the-war-in-ukraine/
https://mronline.org/2022/06/13/how-monsters-who-beat-jews-to-death-in-1944-became-americas-favorite-freedom-fighters-in-1945/
Care to provide corroborating evidence to back these articles? They read like pure propaganda and fail to cite claims.
I’m sorry, is there something about hyperlinks which confuses you?
You need to have a little number linking to a footnote, or else it doesn’t count lmfao
Nothing wrong with hyperlinks, however a footnote section makes for a better format. Many of these hyperlinks don’t even relate to the word that was linked. It just makes it look as if something backs the claim being made. They’re littered everywhere and the few I clicked, didn’t have much relevance. Footnotes make it easier to see where each stems from and allow the reader to understand potential bias easier. Care to link to peer reviewed academic articles on one of the subjects? I’d be glad to dig in, but so far I’m reading propaganda sprinkled with a few true statements to produce a sense of legitimacy. It’s misinformation campaign 101.
Hm, very scintillating, old sport! There’s just one problem. You’re making unverified claims to me!
I will require each hyperlink that you consider misleading, along with the passage where it is found.
Because I recall each and every one was related to the passage it was found in.
There are no peer reviewed scientific papers about the Maidan, you complete dolt. It’s a color revolution, not a pond of tadpoles.
Instead what we have are Ukrainian sources you have trusted before admitting what their enemies already told them, far too late.
Get to work!
I won’t entertain bad faith arguments, but I’d recommend you read up more on the Maidan to gain some historical context. You’ll likely make some alterations to your opinion, and shatter bits of your worldview. Also there’s plenty of peer reviewed academic papers on the Maidan, e.g. https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt1zkjxq0.11