More than 160 Christians were killed and 500 wounded in Nigeria on Christmas Day as radical Islamic terrorists struck in several predominantly Christian villages – killing men, women, and children.

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    9 months ago

    Well, being absolutely certain there is no god is going too far for me.

    But criticizing and strongly opposing religious beliefs because they have influence in our lives seems reasonable to me. Opposition to Christianity makes far more sense to me generally than opposition to Islam, because the former has people trying to Biblically define when life is conceived and impose that particular definition on everyone; the latter are half a world a way.

    Nothing screams little dick energy more than attacking something you claim not to believe in

    I mean…we spend a lot of time attacking different political ideologies we both claim not to believe in…so…I guess you can be Li’l Johnson, and I’ll just be Johnson Jr.

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      Even Dawkins will not say he’s absolutely certain there is no god. I would never say that either. I have a concept of god but it’s more the concept of everything is god. Islam isn’t a world away. It’s here in this country. I’m not opposed to either religions. I just don’t want laws based on their sky god. There is a different in disagreeing with a different view of the world and attacking a religion because little dick energy. I disagree with communism but I don’t deny it’s real. I just think it’s harmful to society. I can admit it’s a utopian society which is why it fails so quickly. The atheist that attack religion do it out of spite. Otherwise they wouldn’t care what others do. It’s wildly insecure.

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        The atheist that attack religion do it out of spite. Otherwise they wouldn’t care what others do. It’s wildly insecure.

        Do you think the Church of Satan is full of a bunch of insecure people?

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          I think they’re just attention whores. They don’t even believe in satan as in the biblical one.

          So why call yourself satanist unless you just want attention ?

          Most are atheist just trying to stir the pot.

          It screams super little dick energy

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            That’s interesting. I think it’s safe to assume you also think the Satanic Temple (who I should’ve used in the first place, but I get all these edgy groups mixed up) are attention whores…

            Do you also not appreciate that they expose the hypocrisy of Christians via religiously-affiliated after school programs and religious icons in government buildings?

            We currently have prominent Christians arguing that the separation of church and state is a misnomer. The Supreme Court just gave the thumbs up to Christians being able to discriminate against same-sex couples.

            So, what’s the deal? Should Christians be free to carve out these public spaces for themselves alone? Or should atheists, attention whores they may be, push back to at least expose Christian hypocrisy for all to see? At best, atheist opposition will either make public life more secular (as I believe it should be) or make it more tolerant for religious people generally rather than just Christians.

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              The separation is a misnomer to a degree. The founding fathers didn’t advocate for it and we had state religions in the beginning. The concept of separation is a much more recent court ruling which was more recently gutted. Yes I think when they want to put up a Christmas display they are being bigots and attention whores. Trying to ruin one religions holiday is exactly the insecure behavior I’ve been talking about. Pick their holiday and put up a display. I have no issue with that but trying to ruin another religions holiday is just stupid. It isn’t hypocrisy to want to keep your holiday special. I don’t really celebrate Christmas but I wouldn’t want to ruin it for those who do.

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                There’s a particular rhetorical strategy I’m increasingly learning to identify with your help. It’s called minimization.

                I’ve identified a pattern of Christian exceptionalism and clearly juxtaposed it against the attention-whoring, as you call it, of the Satanic Temple.

                You implicitly disagree by maintaining it’s not Christian exceptionalism (after all, you’re an atheist), they’re just trying to celebrate a holiday. You ignore the activity of zealous Christians altogether. They’re faultless not because they’re not trying to make Christianity the state religion, nor because they and they alone can discriminate against same-sex couples, nor because they want their religious icons in government buildings, nor because they want Bible study after school programs to the exclusion of other religious programs—no, no, it’s because…they’re trying to party. Thus, complex legal strategems that take years to manufacture and construct and represent a danger to American democracy are minimized to a celebration. And the self-described Satanists are the party poopers.

                It’s good stuff. I genuinely appreciate your help.

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                  And the self-described Satanists are the party poopers. They are a troll religion. They are just trying to troll the Christians and I find that low brow behavior. They are not trying to build anything, they are just trying to tear things down.

                  I’ve identified a pattern of Christian exceptionalism

                  Not really. A nativity scene is not Christian exceptionalism. It’s just part of our culture as a country. We are a nation of Christians.

                  You ignore the activity of zealous Christians altogether.

                  I have never seen zealots and I grew up in the bible belt.

                  they alone can discriminate against same-sex couples

                  Any religion can. That is the freedom of religion and association. Most of these cases come from a bigot doing it just to irk the Christian. As I said, I don’t like trollish behavior. If someone said they didn’t want my money, I would gladly go somewhere else.

                  they want their religious icons in government buildings

                  Like the Supreme Court> having Mo and the 10 commandments? Not sure what you mean by their religious icons in government buildings. I have never heard of that.

                  nor because they want Bible study after school programs to the exclusion of other religious programs

                  What other religion was denied? Were the Jews, Muslims or Hindus denied?

                  The trolls will always lose in my book. The premise of just trying to destroy something is not a world I want to live in. Notice they admit they only it in areas where they can get attention.

                  As I said before, just because I don’t believe doesn’t mean I want to shit on those who do. Religious groups have done a lot of good in the world. Here they feed the homeless, they have shelters for the homeless, addiction help, etc.

                  The church of satan does none of that unless they are getting attention. Who would you rather have as your neighbor? The person who feeds the poor or the person who wants to stop that person?

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            Just a heads up if you weren’t aware, there is the Church of Satan and the Santanic Temple. They’re two completely separate but often confused orgs. And IIRC the Satanic Temple is the good one.

            Lmao for anyone interested in what the coward deleted

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              My issue isn’t “satanism”. It’s stupid attention whores trying to troll just to troll. They don’t even believe in satan. That’s how stupid these groups are.

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              I deleted it because Lookin4GoodArgs already fixed it later down the chain of comments.