Slow down there buddy. My post was sarcastically worded thought experiment. You can’t derive my assumptions from that alone. My intent was to show that not grounding things and being uncritical will have bad outcomes, do you disagree? Yes, leftists take an L because our discourse is painful, but the alterative is worse in my opinion.
I think you can agree and disagree with individual statements, people are, for the most part, to complex to put into a box. I also think grounding is important.
Yeah, your experiment kinda sucked. The thing is, lefties can’t just agree to disagree and still collaborate or even just move on with their lives. It has to be harsh disagreement over the most miniscule points and “reading theory” mostly involves doomscrolling Twitter
What person thinks scrolling Twitter counts as reading theory? Are you meaning to say that people on Twitter constantly tell each other to read theory, or are you genuinely saying that people think scrolling Twitter counts as reading theory?
I agree that politicaly most leftist are aligned at the first handful of steps that should be taken and that sometimes the infighting can get in the way. If this is what you meant by your original post I would agree with you, but your original post lacked the specificity.
Yeah, your experiment kinda sucked.
Any reason in particular or are you just maulding?
First of all it’s malding and second, good try with the usual tactics of crying “are you mad? are you mad? are you mad?" when receiving the slightest push back on anything.
Other than the fact that your so called" thought experiment" was kinda gay to begin with, it lacks any understanding of how actual people come to any of their political opinions. Example: I sincerely do love capitalism. It is a great system that lifts people out of abject poverty and it’s major downsides are mostly addressed in liberal democracies. The reason I believe that is that I understand how capitalism succeeded and socialism failed over and over again whenever it was tried.
Okay so the only thing of value I got out of your post above was that capitalism isn’t bad. A perfectly normal thing for somebody to do when they’re not mad is write a bunch of ad homs with one point. But that is besides the point.
About the capitalism thing. I never said it was bad. In fact, I think capitalism has been good for humanity. But we are fast approaching a time where it will do more harm than good.
All I was implying was that capitalism isn’t flawless. And the people who think it is are idiots.
But we are fast approaching a time where it will do more harm than good
Yeah I disagree, lefties have been pushing this idea for decades, maybe even centuries now. It just doesn’t map on reality and all the alternatives they propose have either horribly failed multiple times, don’t address the actual issue, will never be politically feasible or (usually) all of the above.
The most cucked thing is that as opposed to hating conservatives, fascists or even liberals, leftists seem to waste most of their energy on hating other leftists.
Well, if we are pointing out problems, I have a few with capitalism. We seem to have a hard time trying to produce chocolate or clothes without slavery. Healthcare is apparently harder than rocket science. Workers, not only have to put in 40 hours a week, they need to be in unions and strike in order to get paid fairly. No one can figure out how to solve wage theft. And my favorite part is every one racing toward extinction via global warming hoping that someone else will solve that problem.
Just because an economic system is in use doesn’t make it the best for a given time period. You could say a lot of great things about feudalism back in the day, but I don’t see anyone (with a functional brain) arguing for that.
We seem to have a hard time trying to produce chocolate or clothes without slavery.
Then you must be very in favor of the EU supply chain legislation that addresses just that, right? Common W for liberal democratic institutions.
Healthcare is apparently harder than rocket science.
Common EU W again.
Workers, not only have to put in 40 hours a week, they need to be in unions and strike in order to get paid fairly.
Spoken like someone who never worked a job in his life. Also EU W.
No one can figure out how to solve wage theft.
If you violate contract law you will get screwed as an employer. If you don’t do anything about your overtime as an employee, that’s kind of on you. Unless you want to argue that companies extracting excess value from the work of employees constitutes theft (which you may or may not want to, while the rest of the world disagrees) wage theft is just not an issue. At least not in EU W land.
And my favorite part is every one racing toward extinction via global warming hoping that someone else will solve that problem.
Actually that’s a great point. If we were all going to adopt socialism, our economies would just crash and burn and we’d stop producing stuff, hence halting global warming. On a more serious note, since global warming is impacting return on capital, the economies have a vested interest in fixing it. I’m not that worried about any kind of doomsday scenario and even if I was I fail to see how getting rid of capitalism would fix anything.
Just because an economic system is in use doesn’t make it the best for a given time period. You could say a lot of great things about feudalism back in the day, but I don’t see anyone (with a functional brain) arguing for that.
Uuuuh… No you couldn’t? Feudalism was just a shit system that collapsed on itself after the bubonic plague killed half of Europe. It was highly extractive and there was no incentive for innovations, which is why the middle ages were a time of stagnation.
Yes, I’m not opposed to incremental changes! Also a lot of the EU stuff regulates capitalism because it’s problematic and needs to be regulated.
Let me ask you my friend, what happens when a democracy slowly regulates capitalism more and more? What do you think the outcome of that is?
You can love on capitalism as much as you want. In the end it will kill us all or be transformed into something better. You can call it socialism or communism if you want, I don’t really care what it is called.
Slow down there buddy. My post was sarcastically worded thought experiment. You can’t derive my assumptions from that alone. My intent was to show that not grounding things and being uncritical will have bad outcomes, do you disagree? Yes, leftists take an L because our discourse is painful, but the alterative is worse in my opinion.
I think you can agree and disagree with individual statements, people are, for the most part, to complex to put into a box. I also think grounding is important.
Yeah, your experiment kinda sucked. The thing is, lefties can’t just agree to disagree and still collaborate or even just move on with their lives. It has to be harsh disagreement over the most miniscule points and “reading theory” mostly involves doomscrolling Twitter
What person thinks scrolling Twitter counts as reading theory? Are you meaning to say that people on Twitter constantly tell each other to read theory, or are you genuinely saying that people think scrolling Twitter counts as reading theory?
I agree that politicaly most leftist are aligned at the first handful of steps that should be taken and that sometimes the infighting can get in the way. If this is what you meant by your original post I would agree with you, but your original post lacked the specificity.
Any reason in particular or are you just maulding?
First of all it’s malding and second, good try with the usual tactics of crying “are you mad? are you mad? are you mad?" when receiving the slightest push back on anything.
Other than the fact that your so called" thought experiment" was kinda gay to begin with, it lacks any understanding of how actual people come to any of their political opinions. Example: I sincerely do love capitalism. It is a great system that lifts people out of abject poverty and it’s major downsides are mostly addressed in liberal democracies. The reason I believe that is that I understand how capitalism succeeded and socialism failed over and over again whenever it was tried.
Okay so the only thing of value I got out of your post above was that capitalism isn’t bad. A perfectly normal thing for somebody to do when they’re not mad is write a bunch of ad homs with one point. But that is besides the point.
About the capitalism thing. I never said it was bad. In fact, I think capitalism has been good for humanity. But we are fast approaching a time where it will do more harm than good.
All I was implying was that capitalism isn’t flawless. And the people who think it is are idiots.
Yeah I disagree, lefties have been pushing this idea for decades, maybe even centuries now. It just doesn’t map on reality and all the alternatives they propose have either horribly failed multiple times, don’t address the actual issue, will never be politically feasible or (usually) all of the above.
The most cucked thing is that as opposed to hating conservatives, fascists or even liberals, leftists seem to waste most of their energy on hating other leftists.
Well, if we are pointing out problems, I have a few with capitalism. We seem to have a hard time trying to produce chocolate or clothes without slavery. Healthcare is apparently harder than rocket science. Workers, not only have to put in 40 hours a week, they need to be in unions and strike in order to get paid fairly. No one can figure out how to solve wage theft. And my favorite part is every one racing toward extinction via global warming hoping that someone else will solve that problem.
Just because an economic system is in use doesn’t make it the best for a given time period. You could say a lot of great things about feudalism back in the day, but I don’t see anyone (with a functional brain) arguing for that.
Then you must be very in favor of the EU supply chain legislation that addresses just that, right? Common W for liberal democratic institutions.
Common EU W again.
Spoken like someone who never worked a job in his life. Also EU W.
If you violate contract law you will get screwed as an employer. If you don’t do anything about your overtime as an employee, that’s kind of on you. Unless you want to argue that companies extracting excess value from the work of employees constitutes theft (which you may or may not want to, while the rest of the world disagrees) wage theft is just not an issue. At least not in EU W land.
Actually that’s a great point. If we were all going to adopt socialism, our economies would just crash and burn and we’d stop producing stuff, hence halting global warming. On a more serious note, since global warming is impacting return on capital, the economies have a vested interest in fixing it. I’m not that worried about any kind of doomsday scenario and even if I was I fail to see how getting rid of capitalism would fix anything.
Uuuuh… No you couldn’t? Feudalism was just a shit system that collapsed on itself after the bubonic plague killed half of Europe. It was highly extractive and there was no incentive for innovations, which is why the middle ages were a time of stagnation.
Yes, I’m not opposed to incremental changes! Also a lot of the EU stuff regulates capitalism because it’s problematic and needs to be regulated.
Let me ask you my friend, what happens when a democracy slowly regulates capitalism more and more? What do you think the outcome of that is?
You can love on capitalism as much as you want. In the end it will kill us all or be transformed into something better. You can call it socialism or communism if you want, I don’t really care what it is called.