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    I’m really worried that the liberals really are going to vote for a genuine genocide-supporter.

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      As opposed to the other genocide-supporter that’s also a fascist racist?

      Primaries and the rest of the year are for voting for and supporting the best possible candidates. Elections are for playing damage control and voting for the least worst option.

      Don’t let a lack of perfection be an excuse for choose Worse over Better.

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        No, you don’t vote for genocide-supporters period. I am appalled that is a controversial opinion.

        Supporting a genocide is not “Lack of perfection”. It’s an abundance of evil

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          Failing to vote is just another way of supporting the republican party.

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            So not voting for Trump is a way of supporting the democratic party. Evens out.

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              It doesn’t though, because you know for damn sure that every Republican will be voting for trump. If a substantial number of liberals don’t vote for Biden, Trump wins.

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                That’s what they said when HRC won the popular vote, then the EC appointed the other clown.

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                If they do though, then Biden wins. And then they will have voted a genocide supporter into office.

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              Each election has a different expected low-turnout winner. In the race for U.S. President, low turnout nearly always benefits the Republicans. So one can expect forfeiting their vote to have the equivalent effect as voting for the low-turnout winner, i.e. Trump.

              In a first-past-the-post voting system under duopoly control, voting third party is equivalent to forfeiting your vote.

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                But thats good news, you can force the democrats to run a different candidate by threatening to withhold your vote. And if they don’t, you have to make good on your threat.

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                  I suppose, so long as you’re ok with “making good on your threat” meaning living the remainder of your life in a fascist dictatorship. That’s a little far for me to go to prove a point to people I’ve never met that probably won’t even get my message.

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                  Also, what good would teaching the Democrats a lesson do when Trump winning likely means an end to democracy.

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                    The slide into fascism isn’t stopping under a genocide supporter. At best it slows down a bit.

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          In the real world, people will vote in their own self interest. If you’re queer, trans, have dark skin, are female, or are an ally to those groups, not voting for Biden is functionally equivalent to voting for the orange turd who will support and encourage crimes against them.

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            The harm reduction argument doesn’t work if for the past 4 years individual rights have constantly deteriorated.

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              Frame it however you want but there’s still merit in voting for the guy who doesn’t actively want to destroy you.

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              Which is, in a large part, due to the fallout from actions taken by the Trump administration.

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                So best case scenario the guy is useless because he can’t reduce harm.

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                  Man, this is an immature take. The republican stacked judiciary has been the biggest issue for reducing harm in The US.

                  Do we like the support of the Israelis actions, absolutely not. But, when people tell you who they are, listen. Trump would be worse for everyone except his chosen few and the oligarchs. He has said as much.

                  If we had a more truly left option that would not put so many others at risk, I think we’d see a massive shift. That is our work during the next 4 years.

                  We just don’t have a good viable option this year…

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                  So if he doesn’t have the magic ability to make everyone’s lives better in an instant, he’s useless?

                  The entire point of our system is that we don’t have a singular person with absolute power. The reason the Trump administration was able to take the actions it did wasn’t due to just Trump. It was also due to actions taken by congress and the judiciary.

                  This one office can only do so much, you need to vote in that election in addition to every other election you’re able to. And it won’t be a quick turnaround. Expecting magic to happen two seconds after stepping out of the voting booth once every four years is naive and getting petulant when it doesn’t happen is dangerous.

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                  Dude just admit that you’re 14 and spouting your parents political views at this point. We were all there once.

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      Why would that worry you? What action should they take that would make you less worried?

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        Threaten to withhold the vote if there is a genocide supporting candidate running. If they do run him, you have to make good on your threat, if they change then good news: your democracy got a little bit more representative.