They would require psychiatrists, endocrinologists and medical ethicists to have roles in creating facility-wide gender-affirming care plans for patients of all ages. Patients under 21 would have to receive at least six months of mental health counseling before starting gender-affirming medication or surgery. Providers would be barred from referring minors to treatment elsewhere, such as clinics in other states.

I am fairly pro-transgender rights with some exceptions.

If anyone has read my prior post, I have always said a psychiatrist or endocrinologist should be involved with transgender people.

The law to me is a good thing. I don’t agree with the below 21, it should be 18.

I also don’t agree with the referring clause. That is good medicine to refer people to other doctors and sometimes they are outside your state.

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    I kept writing up different answers, kept erasing them and rewriting them, so here, I hope it helps.

    If someone is in distress and in need of medical care, they should go to a local ER instead of immigrating.

    Abortion is murder. You will not change my mind.

    Government healthcare like the VA, and like the UK and Canada is bad, more government healthcare will not be a good thing.

    Y’all set the precedent with the vaccine. Now we get to regulate that shit. If you don’t like it, stop establishing bad precedents. Also, adults get to fuck their lives up if they want. Minors need guidance. That’s the difference.

    It won’t cause an epidemic, the epidemic is already here, but it’s part of a much larger mental health epidemic.

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      Thanks for taking the time to answer. I think I haven’t seen you post in here much lately, so I hope this means you have more free time.

      There’s a couple things about your reply:

      If someone is in distress and in need of medical care, they should go to a local ER instead of immigrating.

      I was not saying people should be able to immigrate quickly to get health care. I’m saying that having a mandatory waiting period regardless of circumstance is not good policy. For immigration, perhaps it’s unavoidable. For healthcare, it’s nonsensical.

      Abortion is murder. You will not change my mind.

      Ok I won’t argue about that. I wonder about contraception tho, is it also murder? Republicans have been on the move to restrict that too, even though it seems to me it would prevent abortions. This is off topic sorry.

      Government healthcare like the VA, and like the UK and Canada is bad, more government healthcare will not be a good thing.

      I’m not sure what this has to do with what I was asking. If you believe government involvement in healthcare is bad, then why is it good for the Ohio legislature to get involved in healthcare?

      Y’all set the precedent with the vaccine. Now we get to regulate that shit. If you don’t like it, stop establishing bad precedents.

      I don’t understand this. Does this mean, you did it, now we can do it? Like, are you saying forced vaccination was a bad thing, and so now we get to do a bad thing? That can’t be it but I’m not sure how else to interpret this.

      It won’t cause an epidemic, the epidemic is already here, but it’s part of a much larger mental health epidemic.

      Well I think the epidemic you are worried about is probably a frightening exaggeration of the mundane and unremarkable truth, largely driven by the media you consume. Trans people are such a minority, they are not a threat. There’s no danger that a large fraction of boys in America are going to trade in their baseball bats and gloves for dresses and makeup.

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        I think I haven’t seen you post in here much lately, so I hope this means you have more free time.

        Oh yeah, after Karo/Kaiju got me banned from .world a little while ago, I started touching grass more. I took it as a reminder that I need to unwind and get away from the screen. Funny thing, I haven’t had nearly the same amount of reports or had to take as many mod actions since I got banned, so I’m taking it as a win.

        I was not saying people should be able to immigrate quickly to get health care. I’m saying that having a mandatory waiting period regardless of circumstance is not good policy. For immigration, perhaps it’s unavoidable. For healthcare, it’s nonsensical.

        Oh, that makes more sense. Personally, that should be between a consenting adult and the doctor, but I can kinda see why the law exists, with the same dumb logic that a waiting period to buy guns is. I don’t agree with it, but I can see the logic behind it.

        If you believe government involvement in healthcare is bad, then why is it good for the Ohio legislature to get involved in healthcare?

        I believe that it should only to the extent to protect people from stuff like malpractice and bad insurance and whatnot, but minors need more protection. I think for Ohio, it’s just restricting minors from mutilating themselves. An adult can screw up their lives, but minors need more guidance.

        I don’t understand this. Does this mean, you did it, now we can do it? Like, are you saying forced vaccination was a bad thing, and so now we get to do a bad thing? That can’t be it but I’m not sure how else to interpret this.

        I think you think it’s a bad thing, that’s what I was getting at. And personally, I’m somewhat divided on it myself.

        Well I think the epidemic you are worried about is probably a frightening exaggeration of the mundane and unremarkable truth, largely driven by the media you consume. Trans people are such a minority, they are not a threat. There’s no danger that a large fraction of boys in America are going to trade in their baseball bats and gloves for dresses and makeup.

        The mental health epidemic is a large umbrella. There’s a lot more autism, adhd, bipolar, and gender dysphoria in these past few years. 1.4% of teens are trans for example, compared to 0.5% of adults. Sure, there’s more acceptance and better diagnoses, but personally I think that there’s a bigger issue at play here. (Or issues.) I’m not worry about femboys or tomboys, just worried about young people in general.

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          Sure, there’s more acceptance and better diagnoses, but personally I think that there’s a bigger issue at play here. Acceptance is down.

          https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/06/28/americans-complex-views-on-gender-identity-and-transgender-issues/

          I think the sports issue is what is driving acceptance down.

          My best friend is trans, she thought all her conservative friends would freak out but none of us cared. The only issue we run into is she thinks it’s transphobic we would never date her. We should not be shamed for our preferences. Just as she should not be shamed for hers.

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            Acceptance is down.

            I kinda wonder if the criteria (or whatever term) is changing. Like what would’ve been considered acceptance ten years ago isn’t considered acceptance now.

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              I suspect it’s the backlash. People have tolerated/accepted trans people for years. Now it’s you are transphobic if you won’t date one or you’re phobic if you don’t think a biological male should be playing sports against women.

              There is a certain point where people become intolerant. It makes the whole narrative fall apart.