• Milk_Sheikh
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    4 months ago

    Especially since we already got Trump in 2016 because people couldn’t swallow their distaste and vote for Hilary.

    Ah. There it is. Those other people who didn’t vote for my team after we faked a primary are bad. Not my party who forced on the electorate an Nth generation political insider, who was broadly unappealing, had a problematic history, and a hawkish foreign policy track record.

    The refusal to accept responsibility for the 2016 election is why we’re having this conversation, again. People saw the naked corruption in the primaries, and got disenchanted. Not because ‘my guy didn’t win the primary and I’m butthurt’, but because the DNC cheated. Openly. Admitted as much in court when sued about it.

    But then everyone is supposed to “fall in line” behind an unrepresentative candidate the central committee has chosen, right? And you’re calling other people tankies???

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      Yes. That’s exactly it. I had no love for Clinton, or even the dems. I would have preferred Bernie, simply because I felt he would do better against Trump.

      And at that point, it wasn’t even my side vs their side. I wasn’t even a registered Dem. It was simply the entire Republican lineup was a national embarrassment, and Trump was the biggest ass of the bunch.

      So yes, when one candidate is as big of a jackass as they come, who very clearly intended to just fill his own pockets any way he could, versus someone competent, experienced, but rather unlikeable, it was a very clear choice. And I blame all you short sighted fucks for selfishly throwing this country to the lions because you refused to let things go and acknowledge that one candidate was clearly less bad than the other for the country.

      And then Trump went beyond all expectations and really fucked this country up worse than anyone even imagined a single President could. We’re going to be dealing with the fallout for generations, just from his SCOTUS appointments alone, let alone all the other damage he did.

      And now he’s back, running again. And despite all the damage he has already done, and has clearly indicated he will attempt to destroy our very democracy if he gets half a chance, you still can’t swallow the bitter pill to just accept that now isn’t the time to fuck around, and just support the obvious candidate even if he doesn’t perfectly align to your preferences.

      Grow the fuck up and learn to triage, or this country is going to bleed out while you focus on a fucking bunion instead of the gaping chest wound.

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        Again, you’re blaming the wings of your coalition for the loss of the election in 2016, when polling data shows how shit a full quarter of non-voters thought both candidates were.

        Tens of millions of registered voters did not cast a ballot in the 2016 presidential election, and the share who cited a “dislike of the candidates or campaign issues” as their main reason for not participating reached a new high of 25%

        Both candidates. If the DNC hadn’t forced Hillary, it’d have been a layup for even a meh candidate like Romney to scoop up undecided & unenthusiastic from those millions. 6.7 million votes went to third parties, in a 3:1 ratio Libertarian:Green. How many of those narrow electorate college losses could have been avoided by a candidate who wasn’t “not Trump” to a significant minority of the electorate:

        • Arizona lost by ~91k - 45:48%, 11 EC votes
        • Florida lost by <114k - 48:49%, 29 EC votes
        • Michigan lost by <11k - 47.2:47.5, 16 EC votes
        • Wisconsin lost by <23k - 46.5:47.2%, 10 EC votes
        • Pennsylvania lost by ~44k - 47.4:48.2%, 20 EC votes

        All swing, or lean states, in a 304:227 EC result. I don’t like the Electoral College game because it’s undemocratic, but again this is something The Party has declared off limits. Just like alternative voting systems… why would the Democratic Party not want more democratic practices? 🤔