• michaelrose@lemmy.ml
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    You see present day Russians commiting systemic war crimes led by a man wanted for crimes against humanity and doubt that the USSR is an egregious perpetrator of war crimes. See the holodomor. Did you think they only did mass execution and starved children but didn’t commit rape?

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      I’m gonna spare you a lot of trouble and tell you three simple facts

      1. Modern Russia is not the USSR, Putin is not Stalin and conflating the two is ideological laziness

      2. There is no clean war, if you somehow believe that there was ever a war without war crimes on both sides, I have several bridges to sell you in New York

      3. The Holodomor is literally a fascist myth meant to minimize and justify the Holocaust. Most modern historians agree that at worst, it was a mismanaged famine and not an attempt to commit genocide

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      Jewish historians would call you a holocaust denier for validating the holdomor, the holodomor is direct Nazi propaganda, it’s Nazi Holocaust minimization and apologia.

      Double genocide theory is Holocaust denial.

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      You see present day Russians commiting systemic war crimes led by a man wanted for crimes against humanity and doubt that the USSR is an egregious perpetrator of war crimes.

      Insomuch as Russian warcrimes in Ukraine are even a thing (extant, but heavily exaggerated, and not out of line with other similar wars), the Stalin lead USSR and Putin lead Russia are completly different regimes. This statement is essentially racist because it implies that Russians are inherently inclined towards rape or something, because otherwise the Putin regime and the Stalin led USSR have nothing in common politically.

      See the holodomor.

      https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Holodomor https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/comments/13vvvfs/new_way_of_determining_historical_truth_just/jm84jlj/

      Did you think they only did mass execution

      Executing Nazi POWs is not a bad thing. They were Nazis. The USSR actually held back on this as well.

      starved children

      There was no intentional starvation of anyone in the USSR.

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        Also naming the Soviet famine is literally stolen valor by Nazis. Using it as justification for lebensraum

        The name Holodomor was chosen because it sounds like Holocaust. i.e the Holocaust of the would-be Aryan race lmao.

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        Very funny that they mention starving children considering peasant landlords were doing exactly that in direct defiance of the redistributive agenda of the Soviet state.

        They want to feed little children during the famine? They should thank Stalin and the peasant armies for holding the Kulaks at gunpoint to give it to them.

        Kulaks would have loved to starve them out, poor people and their children were useless eaters in their eyes.

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        This statement is essentially racist because it implies that Russians are inherently inclined towards rape or something, because otherwise the Putin regime and the Stalin led USSR have nothing in common politically.

        I don’t know if I would classify it as racism… unless you are claiming Russians aren’t normally perceived as white. It may be ethnically prejudice, but a large aspect of ethnicity is culture.

        While race may have no indication on political ideology or creed, ethnicity is firmly rooted in the history of a common people. Political organization may come and go, but there is usually still cultural norms that persist after their reorganization.

        Despite Russia changing from a true monarchy, to communism, and finally a federation, the aspect of the government that changed the least was how their military was organized and operated.

        Being conscripted by the Russian empire was basically a death sentence due to the length of contract, so much so that your family would throw you a funeral before you left. The command structure was strictly top down, and your fellow conscripts were in charge of maintaining discipline.

        This rough outline persisted with the USSR, which makes sense when you realize a lot of the general staff were also generals in the empire. The main aspect that transfered over pertaining to this claim is how the soviets conscripted soldiers, and how they maintain discipline over these conscripts.

        A great perspective from an actual Soviet about this topic is Zinky boys, which covers the Soviet Afghan war. Basically, evading conscription was very very easy for anyone who had the money for a bribe, or could play the system. Meaning that the majority of conscripts were either petty criminals or the rural poor.

        Which leads us to discipline…how do you keep a half million farmers and small bit criminals in military discipline? Well you have the conscripts do it themselves. Your first two years as a conscript you were beaten, robbed, and often times raped. After you graduated your two years, you would be doing the beating ,robbing, and raping.

        This seems hyperbolic, but it’s been widely reported from soldiers serving the Russian state for decades. The Russian federation has done the best when it comes to moving towards a regular professional army, but there are still wide spread reports of violent hazing and predation within their military. Though admittedly a lot less than what happened in Afghanistan or in chechnya.

        Basically, race doesn’t really behave anything to do with war crimes. It’s usually entirely based on how bad it is to be a soldier in the military you are serving, and how a military disciplines their soldiers.