I’m not on Twitter, so I get my news elsewhere, but most of the actual pictures I see are from here. So is there some kind of bias where only the fascist imagery gets posted here in the the dunk tank? Or do the libs scrolling through Ukrainian posts on Twitter literally see and ignore fascist imagery on every single post? Like, if they see 1000 Ukrainian soldiers, will they see 1000 fascist symbols?
Isn’t Russia’s economic system basically normal as hell neoliberalism? I won’t argue about it being fascist, but since the west is also neoliberalized, there may be some questions you need to grapple with.
Tbf, what we think of as neoliberalism (in this case, referring to post-Reagan/Thatcher US/UK) is closer in practice to fascism than anarchocapitalism. Anarchocapitalism at least doesn’t have the government picking winners, working with tech companies to spy on its citizens, and corporate welfare. Not to say that anarchocapitalism is viable, but Neoliberalism (which is supposed to be like diet anarchocapitalism), is definitely not what we have in the US and Russia. There’s far, far, far too much intermingling of power between government and big corporations for that. So, yeah, in pure economic terms, both Russia and the US are fascist economies, and that should be a pretty uncontroversial statement.
When did capitalist states practice anarcho-capitalism?
That’s only because anarcho-capitalism is only possible in fantasy
Or even bring up “anarcho”-capitalism at all lol
I’m not saying they did, but the neoliberals fashion themselves as sort of diet anarchocapitalists. At least, that’s how they present their policies. In practice, I wouldn’t be amazed if Ronald “less government” Reagan put more people in jail than Stalin.
I think you’re pretty much right and the only reason the upvote ratio doesn’t reflect that is that you seem not to understand that capitalism necessitates “the government picking winners, working with tech companies to spy on its citizens, and corporate welfare.” You will never have capitalism without those things, and that’s why people are pointing out that anarchocapitalism is a nonsense fantasy, because it is. So using that as a point to counter something (and I’m not sure what) in the comment you responded to above makes no sense.
Neoliberalism does like to paint itself as a more “pure” capitalism, so I don’t think calling it “diet anarchocapitalism” is wrong, but that’s just their branding. There never was or ever will be a non-diet version of capitalism in that sense, where the bourgeoisie and government don’t collaborate and reinforce each other. If anything, fascism is the non-diet version. That is to say, you’re also correct that neoliberalism does incorporate some fascist elements. Maoo’s response to ChrisLicht in this very thread explains that better than I could hope to, so refer to that.
There is a ton of centralized control of the economy (gazprom, 99% of the media, etc) though which is more fasc than neolib
I’m sorry, centralized economic control of industry is fascist? What?
Liberals saying everything that’s not liberalism is fascism again.
Illiberalism ≠ fascist.
This is why you see liberals that are as afraid of antifa as they are of Nazis.
Everything unlike them is the same to them the same way they can’t tell the faces of non-white people apart lol.
I don’t even know why I respond to federated liberals to be honest, they never get the picture and I usually just give up
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TIL social democracy is fascist
It is indeed the left wing of fascism
lol they literally invented privatization but we can just ignore that because all the things i don’t like are the same
It’s not a command economy like you’re interpreting here. It’s a grift economy. Basically, it’s a freak hybrid of public/private company structure that functionally allows Putin to reward his favorite cronies with high-rolling executive positions while also providing shitty, expensive service to the Russian people. It’s really not all that far removed from a lot of what we’ve got going on in the US.
What is the differentiation between grift and profit maximization for the individual participants of the free market economy?
no you don’t get it I externalized that aspect of capitalism by calling it a derogatory name
Yeah they are just doing another version of the US has billionaires and Russia has oligarchs thing. Its basically the same system
Or, put another way,
neoliberalism
Libs always lying to themselves that what there seeing isn’t the inevitable endpoint for liberal capitalism
What are they going to do, command the economy not to do that?
The inevitable next step now that capitalism has outlived it’s usefulness and can no longer produce utility without being commanded?
Hmmm what is to be done?
Someone should write a book about that.
Marxism-Leninism also has an inevitable endpoint once production is sufficiently developed that the state is no longer necessary as the conditions of reaction (such that create the grounds for rival classes to arise) have been abolished.
Leftists differ from their political rivals by recognizing the inevitability of history. Even social democrats think they can keep going indefinitely.
Radical liberals are conservatives the same way that monarchists hung on to the immortality of political systems that have nothing left to contribute.
To be fair, they did close with “It’s really not all that far removed from a lot of what we’ve got going on in the US.” I think this person is pretty much on the right track, they just haven’t been exposed yet to enough actual theory to rid them of the more pernicious liberal brainworms.
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Nope, fascism involves privatization. Nationalization is a communist/socialist/social democratic move.
The word privatization was invented to describe the actions of the Nazi government. The biggest lie you have ever been sold by Liberals is that Fascism is “when big scary state” exists. Fascism is the domination of the petty capitalists, the complete freedom of them to act with impunity. “Free Market” and “Small Government” are synonymous with fascism, not antithetical to it.
The intermixing of the capitalists and the state happened in Nazi Germany not because private capital was being nationalized, but because national capital was being privatized and sold off. Private industrial barons became warlords. Notice how all the big German war production companies were private companies making massive profits (Volkswagen, Audi, BMW, Porshe, etc.) while all the USSR war production companies were 100% soviet controlled?
lmao