The mother of a woman whose body was paraded through the streets by Hamas has pleaded for help finding her daughter.
A video showing German tattoo artist Shani Louk on the back of a pickup truck circulated on social media after the Palestinian militant group Hamas attacked Israel on October 7.
Louk had been attending an outdoor “Festival for Peace” party near Kibbutz Urim when the area was targeted. First, rockets were launched, then gunmen and appeared and shot into the crowd, CNN reported. Party attendees told the outlet people immediately started to flee, passing dead bodies on the ground as they tried to escape the massacre.
The attack and resulting conflict has left hundreds of Israelis and Palestinians dead, with Israel’s prime minister declaring war.
A video of a young woman with dreadlocks on the back of a pickup truck and surrounded by Hamas soldiers started circulating on social media shortly after the attack. In it, she appears stripped to her underwear, and her legs are bent at unnatural angles, while one soldier grabs her hair. People are also seen spitting on her body.
And some terrorist supporters here on Lemmy were trying to explain to us that they were just casually “transporting” the body of a dead woman and that they weren’t doing anything disgusting with her. We all know what islamist terrorists do when they spot a young woman, to pretend that Hamas is any different from ISIS is to be completely delusional.
Palestinians will lose more and more support (mine already) as long as they keep shielding the Islamist animals of Hamas.
EDIT: also thank goodness for !world@lemmy.world, because others like !worldnews@lemmy.ml are run by terrorist supporters (see for yourself in their modlog: https://lemmy.ml/modlog/14788)
So question, can you be anti terrorist and anti Israel?
Why not? Hell I’m Jewish and I think the Israeli govt is regularly in the wrong and I feel for the people of Israel that could have better lives and those the govt harms. I also think Hamas is evidently wretched and those perpetrating these abhorrent acts deserve everything coming to them.
Unfortunately, while I’m sure Hamas will suffer, the civilians of both Israel and Palestine will once again bear the true cost of this conflict.
Jew here too, Netanyahu is a corrupt fascist cunt.
how dare you! don’t you know that the Palestinians mine controlled Hitler into doing the holocaust?
the scary part, Netanyahu said this, just less exaggerated.
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What’s your opinion on Palestinians?
My opinion is that they are a people, caged. The conditions that they live in are far below what they deserve for being human.
That’s my opinion really: they’re humans, just like all others and they deserve to be treated with dignity and to be loved and to be able to sleep knowing that they are safe. They have been deprived of these things for far, far too long and I believe that is deeply wrong.
What’s your opinion on Palestinians?
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Apologies, I was busy not being chronically online. Made some noise for you so that you can pass judgement upon me at your leisure.
Based on the time stamps, you commented only an hour after then. Did you truly believe that if someone doesn’t respond to a comment within an hour, they’re purposely being silent? Or were you just chomping at the bit to say all Israelis were bad?
As funny as it would be to call you antisemitic if you don’t reply within the hour – take your time.
I strongly disagree with Israel’s policies regarding settlements, Palestinians in general, etc.
That does not excuse Hamas or their terrorism
They’re both kinda fucked really.
Israel is more fucked because they definitely have the resource to prevent this. How long can you deprive someone of their basic needs before their humanity is stripped away?
That only holds until you realize that Hamas are islamic jahadists. The latter are worse, no question.
Both are crimes under various international laws, some people seem to think you fight one by committing the other
Whats the altenative? Another generation of palestinians lost to the political whims of Netenyahu and the dehumanized at the hands of the far right while calmly waiting for the world to finally stop turning a blind eye? Can they start fighting back after they’ve been oppressed for 100 years or do we have to wait even longer?
Terrorism is not “fighting back.” If they’d solely struck military targets, I would have significantly more empathy for them. I have 0 empathy for terrorism.
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Goliath was in fact a soldier.
I get your point, but the consequences of this particular attack are almost certainly going to include a land invasion of Gaza, which will result in even more aggressive ethnic cleansing/genocide of the Palestinian people. But Israel has such disproportionate power in this situation that the only realistic way to halt the genocide is if Isreal decides to do it on its own, and that won’t happen without significant international pressure (particularly from the US).
It would be far easier to win international support for the Palestinian cause if it was lead by progressive, democratic groups instead of a religious fundamentalist organization known for engaging in disproportionate violence against civilians (not even 2% of the level of violence Isreal has enacted to Palestine, but still).
Maybe Palestinians could try living in Jordan? Oh, Black September and all that happened.
Or maybe Lebanon would work? Oh, that’s how we got Hezbollah, who has basically taken over Lebanon.
Maybe Egypt will open their doors to the Palestinians again? But then again, Rafah border crossing is almost always closed, because Egypt’s de facto relationship with the Palestinians could be described as “we like you, but mostly because we hate Israel more”.
I sympathize enormously with every normal Palestinian, but Mandatory Palestine will never be a thing again. The so-called State of Israel will continue to exist. It has been too long, and the only humanitarian hope for everyone involved is for Hamas and all related groups to accept defeat. But I don’t see that happening, because the conflict isn’t just over historical lands and freedom, but to eradicate all Zionists.
so be subjugated or die? That seems barbaric, not humanitarian.
“subjugated”? Don’t be inane now. What’s your solution, other than Hamas ceasing their terrorist attacks?
The solution would be to end the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, and granting all Palestinians within those territories full citizenship, voting rights, and economic reparations for the hardship they suffered at the hands of the Israeli state.
Then you wouldn’t have the desperate poverty and crowded ghettos that make people desperate enough to join Hamas to begin with.
Yes subjegated. Look up the definition. Don’t be inane now.
The alternative would be a secular, progressive, democratic resistance to the occupation, it’s a lot easier to win international support if you’re not a bunch insane religious fundamentalists (Hamas, not the Palestinian people broadly). I agree with your sentiment 100%, I just don’t think Hamas is an organization that’s capable of freeing Palestine from Israeli occupation.
Especially since Netanyahu’s government literally sent them money because a relatively strong Hamas makes it easier for him to justify the ongoing genocide/ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.
I don’t support either group here. But the reason this continues to be such a contentious issue is the decades of mistakes and extreme conflict that lead to the current state of things there. The entire area has been in cyclic conflict for hundreds of years, this is merely a continuation of that with the complexities of post ww2 short sighted and racist policies enacted by the allied powers influencing the way things have played out.
Israel is a far right authoritarian state and they are brutal in how they choose to operate. Palestine is a hotbed for terrorism and is equally brutal in the guerrilla tactics they employ.
External influence from western and Islamic countries fuels the flames. It’s a disaster and a mess.
There’s genuinely no two state solution. As long as these two groups share this place they will always fight. And there’s no resolution that doesn’t see everyone else dragged into yet another proxy war.
Personally I think this will see some of the most major developments in this conflict in decades. The repercussions of this act will be large scale and relentless. But the Israelis will quickly find themselves in a quagmire if they try to occupy Palestine in any major capacity. It won’t be over quickly. Many will die.
But I suspect that’s where we are heading.
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I just don’t see what the goal was for hamas other than to spread terror and I guess push Israel to retaliate. I suppose their goal is to make them commit war crimes and shift public sentiment? Or maybe draw in Arab neighbors to assist again (it went so well last time). They had to know there would be a major reprisal and it would not be an equal fight.
I suspect this is it. There’s been a lot of back and forth but I do not believe Israel will be walked back to the table here, this was far and beyond anything that can just be forgiven. This is a 9/11 level event for this country and having seen American fury and rage after that I can only assume the same will be seen here.
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Yeah i think we are no longer coming back to the table. And what’s interesting is that there’s precedent for this both ways. Obviously an occupation would be bloody and violent and in general they fail to uproot the terrorists cells, instead only further instigating them and driving people to their cause.
But at the same time you can look at what happened in Sri Lanka. They had terrorists operating in the country for decades. Same sort of deal. Only there the military operation persisted and eventually through vicious brutality they drove them into a corner and forced their retreat. While the country continues to experience turmoil and issues, the era of the militant Tamils is a shadow of what it once was.
I don’t know how it will play out but there’s going to be quite a bit more blood shed. They’ll pay for every dead Israeli with ten of their own.
There were essentially no Jews (<2%) living in the areas of Israel and Palestine before the Zionist colonization movement in the late 1800’s.
You’re trying to make it seem like this modern day thing is even remotely related to the past, which it isn’t.
There’s a clear distinction between the sort of age of crusades and modern post ww2 geopolitics that generated the current conflict, but to suggest that there’s not been a near continuous level of conflict in the area between Jews, Muslims, and Christians is disingenuous.
This is like saying the BLM movement in America has nothing to do with slavery.
It’s not disingenuous. Jewish people literally just weren’t there until very recently. You’re talking like 1000+ years ago.
This is the central question everyone can’t agree on, right? Which group that conquered the region and eradicated their enemies has the “rights” to the land? I’m seriously ignorant on the subject, and more than happy to delete this comment if it’s not really adding to anything, but we’re calibrating our standards of who has the rights to a region based on what the latest Empire said, be it Ottomans or Romans or however far back we want to go, until we’re talking literally Neolithic folks showing up, right? I’m not religious, so there’s a critical part of this conflict I simply cannot fundamentally understand.
The difference between making claims based on occupation in the late 1800s versus late 800s seems arbitrary, to me. That said, I know that can sound patently ridiculous, since we’re talking generations we can count on one hand versus the same number of Empires controlling the land: so this is where I throw my hands up and just cry a little. Solidarity to everyone suffering oppression and terrorism, in whatever forms they take.
Sure, you can always be hated by everybody. That’s generally my MO in most things. I think Hamas is a terrorist Islamic group and the Likud are ur-fascists.
Of course
You can do anything as long as you work hard and believe in yourself
I don’t think that’s true :(
Not if you have a smooth brain, no
Nope unless you consider israel as the terrorists, which from the point of view of palestinians is true.
Both things can be bad… you know that? Right?
And sometimes one side is much worse than the other.
So which far right extremist theocracy is worse in this case?
I’d go with the one parading executed civilians and spitting on their bodies tbh.
Idk, the ones who decided they didn’t like the borders they agreed to so they took it and started bombing schools, apartments, parks, and the like as “defending our land” when the locals pushed back seem pretty equal here.
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this sadly does not narrow it down
Did you just start following this conflict yesterday? Lmao.
Mine is gone.
I never exactly condoned them, but this is the first time in my adult life they’ve gone out of their way to personally harm innocent civilians. It’s such a shocking and brutal display that I don’t know how anyone could carry water for them anymore – at the very least, this makes them equal to the Israeli government, so someone whose horrified at the treatment of Palestinians by Israel should be just as horrified here.
It bears mentioning that in no way does Hamas represent all Palestinians, too. Hamas is hurting them too by hiding in civilian buildings and using the people effectively as shields. It’s unconscionable to hide in hospitals and mosques after doing something like this, they’re purposely daring Israel to make everyone around them into collateral.
It is in everyone’s benefit for Hamas to be wiped out and destroyed.
Except the there are only three real ways for Israel to kill Hamas. Getting rid of every Palestinian so the are no Palestinians to get angry and turn to desperate measures. Enforcing an authoritarian state where all civil liberties are taken away from Palestinians. Or firmly rejecting expansion into areas where Palestinians live, harshly prosecuting any who discriminate against Palestinians, letting them self govern, and energizing their economy to lift standards of living drastically. An end to everything Israel does to hurt Palestinians and help themselves that Israel can do. Huge concessions to try and make up for all the shit they’ve done.
The ethnical option will clearly not be chosen by the current government, and the US, obligated by their desire to have allies in the middle east, will help them try to accomplish some combination of the first two options. It’s awful.
where was this outrage when Israel targeted civilians?
Oh it was there, I was outraged at that as well. I believe it was Israel who accidentally killed an American journalist and refused to release evidence for some time?
There are no good guys here, by a longshot.
“Accidentally”
This is what Islamic fascism does when they think they have enough power. A Turkish leader said “Democracy is a train which you can use to reach your target.”
It’s possible to oppose Hamas and the Israeli government at the same time. Hamas being fundamentalist terrorists doesn’t retroactively justify the Israeli government forcing millions of people into ghettos without access to clean water and regularly subjecting them to state violence. Or the ongoing settlement program, where Palestinian towns are forcibly evacuated and their property/homes stolen and given to Israeli settlers.
Two things can Both be bad at once, especially since the only reason Hamas exists is because of the desperation of Palestinians caused by Israeli state policy. Netanyahu’s government even gave them money at one point, because Hamas is good for his political goals. Hamas prevents a more democratic, progressive resistance to the occupation from forming, which makes it easier for Netanyahu’s government to justify their ongoing genocide/ethnic cleansing.
Ok but one of those is funny “reason:explaining antisemitism to a Jewish person”
I didn’t read what they actually said but that got a solid chuckle from me
I didn’t know the pope of jewdaism was a lemmee admin. What an honour.
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I see this the same way I see Russians and Putin: the same way it is the Russians’ responsibility to dispose of Putin, it is also the Palestinians’ responsibility to get rid of Hamas. Hamas isn’t recruiting in India, they’re recruiting Palestinians who have been fed hate for Jewish people since they were little. Even the fucking Palestinian Authority, which many brand as “moderate”, stands behind this terrorist attack.
I dont know how to explain to you that Palestinians who legally do not have rights in Israel and have been denied any enfranchisement of their rights over the last 70 years by Israel and America would have no interest in overthrowing the only group that even claims it will help them.
They aren’t fed Jewish hate, they only have to watch as Israeli police and military murder their whole communities on live television every single day from the day they were born.
I have to look out for my own mental health so I’m just going to tell you to actually research the peace talks and the disposition of the extremely racist and dictatorial state run by Netanyahu. Here’s a lonerbox video that covers part of it. I can’t bash my head against a wall arguing with people who see the thousands of massacres of Palestinians as justified. If you think that you’re already too far gone. You already see Palestinians as less than insects, and I can’t convince you otherwise so in the interest of my mental health I’m not going to waste my day off trying.
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Okay, I’m just pointing out that she wasn’t stripped or raped. Israel will use the emotions created by this event to justify ethnically cleansing the Gaza strip, might as well not pile on false info on top.
Yes Hamas is bad but Hamas only exists because of Israel’s behavior.
A rapid dog breaks it’s chain and bites a child. Yes the dog has to be put down but the real fault lies in the one that kept it chained up, starving and beat it with a stick every day.
Problem is that most Palestinians support Hamas.
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Wasn’t that what she was actually wearing? Why do people assume assaults occurred?
Colonizers versus natives, and you side with the colonizers who created this situation. Lmao.
Damn fucking straight i do the israelis are clearly in the right in this conflict the palestinians have soiled their bed and must now come too terms with it being time too lie in it.
Clapping for the fascists commiting slow genocide, bold move cotton.
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Then you haven’t watched the video, because we see the exact thing that is being quoted here:
They’re celebrating, one of the terrorists has his leg over her and another terrorist is pulling her hair, probably both finally feeling manly and triumphant by killing a helpless woman, and they’re literally letting the adorable Palestinians spit on her. If you don’t see this in the video then you need a full eye check. You mentioning “brown people” is a pathetic attempt to reframe us as racists.
Worse of all her face is bloodied, likely she was killed or knocked unconscious. After that, why take her? Why shoot that video? Why the guy who comes back in the end and spits on her face? These are the actions of some people in Hamas. It doesn’t help to deny it. My bet is that a lot of people also support Hamas due to the lack of a viable alternative since peace doesn’t work. Please don’t misunderstand me though, I dislike Hamas very much and there cannot be shit like this happening if they want to be taken seriously. It’s not a very PR smart move either. This kind of hatred is what drives people to commit atrocities, and things need to deescalate. Not mentioning, however, that Israel’s actions fuel much of that hatred would be not painting the full picture.
I find it hard to believe that anyone would watch this and not understand the “parading” aspect of it.
The video is disgusting. I really hope she is found alive.
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“Don’t talk about the barbarism, war crimes, or rapes, committed by the people I support, it looks bad, and they…need our help”
What. The. Fuck.
You’re not even saying just a general support Palestinians. You’re literally saying we need to support the men slaughtering civilians and children, on video.
You can talk about it, but call it like it is. Don’t make false accusations of the body being paraded. And even if they were parading it, address the context properly. It’s terrible when an ugly thing happens, but at the end of the day these people are rightfully fighting for their freedom.
Holy hell you’re fucked in the head.
I was going to make a point about the distinctions between killing IDF vs massacring hundreds of music festival attendees, but I suspect you also support rape as a legitimate weapon of war, as long as you’re side is doing it, so I’m just going to dip out here.
Well, see ya then. For anyone else entertaining that idea, yes it is terrible when civilians are harmed, but all of that blood is on the hands of the Israeli apartheid regime.
Huh? How do you figure that? Isreal has done a ton of fucked things but that doesn’t excuse massacring civilians. If you want support in fighting your oppressors you don’t go around committing war crimes of your own. Both sides suck here.
No. People who kill and/or rape a young girl and then parade her through the streets don’t deserve our support, no matter how tough they’ve had it. I recommend rethinking your life choices, bud.
No Israel hasn’t ever done that! No… I mean they wouldn’t run a person over a bulldozer or intentionally blind camera people or murder journalists.
Wait no, they’ve done all of that.
https://lemmy.crimedad.work/comment/220097
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The fuck is wrong with you? They’ve got a half naked dead woman in the truck and folks are spitting on her.
No support. How anyone can support these people is fucked up.
Black South Africans practiced necklacing, but still received lots of support. Would you not have supported the struggle against apartheid in South Africa?
One can support the ending of apartheid without condoning murder.
And yet you likely wouldn’t have gotten one without the other.
This is simply not historically accurate. Without foreign nations pulling support for apartheid and switching to sanctions, apartheid would never have ended
You can’t support the ending of apartheid without supporting the ending of apartheid.
-Malcolm X
The most significant factor in the end of apartheid was foreign sanctions. These murders were similarly unjustifiable and indefensible to the Hamas attacks
You need to seek the aid of a mental health professional
This is precisely why we must condemn Hamas and anyone who cheers for this video. These bastards don’t represent the Palestinians. That needs to be made crystal clear. They do all these horrific acts in the name of Palestine, then hide in mosques and hospitals – so that if anyone tries to kill them, they’ll kill the innocent people too.
No one can inflame resentment against Palestinians more than Hamas has already done. They’ve chosen to damn innocent Palestinians and take them hostage, by butchering innocent Israelis and taking them hostage.
If you support freedom for the Palestinian people, you must also support the swift end of Hamas. Otherwise you’re just trying to hurt Israelis and don’t give a shit about what happens to Palestinians.
Well, that’s just nonsense. Hamas was democratically elected. Furthermore, the only Palestinian representation that Israel and its apologists will accept is one that puts Palestinian interests second.
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And what will Germany do about one of their people being murdered in this way? Nothing. They’ll hide behind their mask of progressive European nation, and do nothing, while likely supporting the bad guys, just like they do with Russia.
You can’t get Germans to do anything unless you wave money in their face
What prompted this tantrum?
You must have missed the part where a young German citizen was murdered. I’m a Canadian and my government is very similar to Germany’s in that they’re all talk. All image, but ultimately they only care about money
What do you think germany can do in this situation?
So the Germans are supporting the bad guys, including Russia. Aha, good to know!
Besides, what would you like them to do? Less talk more invasion of Palestine?
you know, the Canadian reputation has gone on for too long, you guys seem to be neo-liberals, or Genocidal fascists
Yeah I grew up being told Canada was so great, but as I got older all I see is nothing but bullshit
seems more like you have an unhealthy media diet, considering you have decided on “genocidal fascist”
How is it genocide to kill terrorists, terrorist isn’t an ethnic identity. Unless you’re saying that all Palestinians are terrorists, which I never said. I can tell the difference between a Hamas militant and a Palestinian civilian even if you can’t. I grew up in a war, I actually lived it, unlike your modern American/colonialist couch bound ass.
you’re the one calling for some revenge killing, also I couldn’t care less what war you grew up in, just as little as you don’t care where I’m from and just assume me to be an “American/Colonialist”, unless you have any interesting opinions on Eastern Europe you want to share as well? maybe some being upset about the US stopping the dual genocides in the Balkans?
ya, we did the whole blood and soil bit in the 1930-1945, we have since decided that ethnic cleansing is not the answer to someone getting killed.
or what would you say Germany do? go and start slaughtering the people in Gaza? maybe dig out the old playbooks, what was it 10
jewsMuslims for every German killed? is that what you are calling for?I guess your answer is to do nothing. Kill Germans? It’s ok, we would hate to be seen as intolerant to terrorists, so just kill our citizens. But in truth, Germans would glass the entire continent if it meant they get more money
If someone is murdered, do we hold the entire society accountable or just the one person who committed the crime?
there are two options for what Germany could do, Nothing, or invade all of Israel, institute an occupational goverment and then rebuild the Israeli government with both Jews and Palestinians.
on the other hand, your “do something” seems to be entirely kill everyone in Gaza as revenge against Hamas.
Israel has German submarines (the German version, not the worse export version) that were gifted to them, especially suited to be used in the Persian Gulf, on the coast of Iran, where Hamas’ money and equipment come from.
What do you want them to do huh?
Damn krauts.