• funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works
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    9 months ago

    it’s a universal truth that anything other than that will just end up in the following situation:

    you have to decide how good or bad each patient is before you treat them.

    What if it’s a terrorist, but they’re not in a uniform? What if they’re unconscious? Do you simply not treat anyone unconscious until you’ve given them a moral test? Should people who support a woman’s right to choose get healthcare? Some would say no. Why say Hamas militants are bad when the armies of the USA, Britain, Germany, France have committed atrocities? Should doctors not treat anyone in the military? Current or past? What about people who’ve been in a fight? Smokers? Drinkers? The overweight?

    In the end you have to go back to “just treat everyone”.

    It’s not a pure universal axiomatic truth, but it’s still a truth

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      9 months ago

      Yeah, but doctors are people too and I don’t think they have a moral obligation to treat people who kill and rape their family.

      It’s part of me not being autistic. I can see nuance in these situations and don’t cling to easy absolutes.

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        9 months ago

        how do you know that, if your sister was killed, and I trip and break my leg, I’m not your sisters killer? You’d have doctors who couldn’t treat anyone until we could prove without doubt their patient wasn’t a killer.

        Imagine having a contagious disease that needs urgent treatment and the doctor sending you back home to inject the rest of the world because you were in a car crash where someone died

        I think you are the one clinging to absolutes here.

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          9 months ago

          Okay, buddy. I can see you will not listen to reason here, and that’s okay. I’ve come across many people like you before.

          I’m just gonna duck out and tell you to have a nice day.

          I hope you do so.

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              9 months ago

              Lol, you apparently think everyone is worth arguing with which proves my point.

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        9 months ago

        That’s also an incredibly unlikely scenario that I would wager no human being has ever actually faced. We should build societal rules and norms around things that generally actually happen, not the most extreme or ‘nuanced’ versions of a scenario we can imagine.

        By your logic we should have one hospital and a unique set of staff for each religion, one for felons, one for each race, etc. So that each doctor can work only on patients that they think deserve their help.

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          9 months ago

          That’s also an incredibly unlikely scenario that I would wager no human being has ever actually faced.

          That’s because I’m not advocating for your hyperbole, that doctors should judge whether each patient should be treated.

          By your logic

          Not really. That’s your own hyperbole.

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            9 months ago

            I responded with hyperbole to your hyperbole about doctors being forced to treat patients that had raped and murdered their family. But anyway, you’re clearly set on seeing it your way, and lacking in critical think skills, so have a good day in your own little world buddy.

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              9 months ago

              What are you talking about? Present a valid argument and you may change my mind.

              I responded with hyperbole to your hyperbole about doctors being forced to treat patients that had raped and murdered their family.

              What? Your hyperbole was assuming doctors would be judging whether each patient should be treated. You made that comment before I commented about doctors treating patients who kill and rape their family.

              Might want to brush up on your reading comprehension, lol.

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                9 months ago

                Buddy you are so wrong lol, look at this screenshot and tell me what the comment at the very top says?

                Oh look, it’s you hyperbolizing about people being forced to operate on someone who raped and murdered their family.

                Then, as a CHILD COMMENT to yours, I make my very first comment in this thread.

                Then you tell me I’m using hyperbole and try to discredit me.

                Absolutely incredible the arrogance you have for someone that can’t even proof read your own arguments.

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                  9 months ago

                  Damn, you go through all that effort and you’re still wrong.

                  Must be some life you’re leading.

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                    9 months ago

                    Unfortunately you make less sense with every post. My life is going pretty well though thanks for caring, you’re a very kindhearted person.