Like they agree with me in terms of being “team Palestine”, and understands my analogies of the initial Hamas attack being like if slaves in the 1800s had tried to stage an uprising etc but still “you can’t tell me terrorism is good because it’s never good”, even when I explain to them how non-violent protest actually working (like when schools taught us about MLK JR/civil rights etc) is propaganda…fun times.

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    It’s a Sisyphus with the boulder thing with peaceful protests. Occupy Wall Street, put stickers of Joseph Kony, glue your hands to roads, whatever. Appealing to the better nature of your oppressors works so rarely it might as well be co incidence. But you keep trying because you were raised to believe violence = bad and peaceful = good. Peaceful resistance can’t fail, it can only be failed!

    Pacifism is also so extremely easily infiltrated and re-directed by feds/wreckers to burn out the frustration and momentum into doing something so utterly pointless it not only does nothing for your cause, liberal media will spin it as you being clueless idiots and shift the narrative away from your cause.

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      In small scales, yes, it won’t accomplish much. When you can build a large enough movement, however, I believe it can be successful. With modern warfare, I don’t really see how you can directly face the violence of the state and be successful. There are current examples of this. I will grant that some of these uprisings are facing a state propped up by foreign powers, some are even actively involved, but that furthers my point. How does an armed resistance usurp a government in the modern era?

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        When you can build a large enough movement, however, I believe it can be successful

        This pretty much only works when the oppressors give in because they’re afraid of any future potential violence if they refuse

        One good recent example is the UPS giving into the Teamsters’ demand before they even striked. Yes, you could argue that the entire process succeeded without economic violence through a strike but really, it was the threat of violence that won