• SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    They don’t have resources to do this. They are in a concentration camp. The world’s largest open air prison. Israel bombs their hospitals, kills jounralists, and insane amount of propaganda. I am sure you’d seen the crazy ads that have been floating around the past week of images of babies and trying to get an emotional reaction from people.

    Just because Trump was elected president, it doesn’t mean he represented all of us. It’s like saying, “hur dur, American people elected Trump so let’s kill every American” when he didn’t win the popular vote at all. That’s the false equivalency or whatever appropriate term is used here. Hamas doesn’t represent the Palestinian people, and Israel keeps them in the condition where Hamas can operate. Keep in mind, doing this just radicalizes people and creates more and more terrorist groups which then Israel can turn around and go, “SEE, SEE??? SEE??? THE PALESTINIANS ARE ANIMALS AND MAKE TERRORISTS!” Every avenue of diplomacy has been shot down with Gaza and Palestine. Every single one. This is a genocide.

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      1 year ago

      And why does Israel bomb Gaza? Because Gaza repeatedly launches rockets at Israel. Maybe they shouldn’t do that.

      Hamas doesn’t represent the Palestinian people

      They… represent Gaza. Because they’re the government of Gaza.

      Every avenue of diplomacy has been shot down with Gaza

      How are you supposed to be diplomatic with genocidal terrorists? Hmm?

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          And you deliberately ignored the salient points here. I don’t doubt that Israeli policy has been far from perfect, but the driving force in moving this conflict forward is Hamas. If you can suggest a way for Israel to use diplomacy with a people that has put literal genocidal fanatics in charge of their government, then I think you will win the Novel peace prize.

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            1 year ago

            Oh fuck. Hamas sends a missile out and then Israel sends in a barrage of missiles targeting hospitals and journalists. Yeah, real cool. Clearly that gives Israel the justification.

            And did not engage in my point regarding the median age? The median age are 18 years old. More than half of the people in Gaza were not born and alive during the time of that vote. And it isn’t like Hamas is democratic, and they clearly are consolidating power. Palestinians don’t have access to resources to even be able to overthrow Hamas, in part due to Israel.

            Keep in mind, fuck Hamas. They need to be eliminated. They are jihadist terrorists. No matter what, there is no justification in flattening Gaza, killing innocents and babies, just to kill Hamas. Palestinians are as much of a victim to Hamas as the Russian people to Putin. Or the analogy I used, American people to Trump.

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              1 year ago

              Hamas is the group which launched the rocket at the hospital. Accidentally - they were trying to hit Israeli civilians - but their rocket hit the hospital.

              Also, Hamas controls the Gaza health authority, so any casualty figures they give can be tossed.

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                1 year ago

                Keep in mind you didn’t engage with anything else i mentioned. You deflected and are now talking about something else.

                So Hamas hits this hospital and kills people, or there is an aummunition depot below the hospital, or whatever else. Does this give Israel the justification to retaliate 100 fold? Does this give Israel the justification to cut water, electricity, and Internet from Palestine?

                Keep in mind, the reason why Israel cut electricity and internet is to make sure accurate information isn’t released into the world. Keep in mind, that Israel has a strong record of lying about these kinds of attacks. Keep in mind, they have killed journalists and attacksd civilians many times.

                Just a reminder of my question:

                Does Hamas blowing up a hospital give Israel the justification to retaliate 100 fold? Should they send 100 missiles now into Palestine, especially when a hospital is it?

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                  1 year ago

                  Why is Israel obligated to endlessly supply water, power, electricity to a people engaged in open hostilities against the people of Israel? I agree that ideally the people of Gaza would have water and all the necessities of life, but they aggressively attacked Israel via their government, committed ghastly atrocities, and started a war. Now we are talking about the need for the government of Israel to supply the means to continue manufacturing weapons and prosecuting a war to the territory of a hostile foreign power?

                  If Israel cuts off necessities, or maintains a blockade on those necessities, then the people of Gaza should ask their government want their contingency plan was for supplying those necessities during their genocidal war against the people of Israel.

                  Does Hamas blowing up a hospital give Israel the justification to retaliate 100 fold?

                  Hamas declared war on Israel. If they’re hiding behind civilians in an attempt to maximize civilian collateral damage while Israel strikes back against them, then the people who die in those reprisals should address their concerns to their government and ask why their military forces are being hidden among civilians populations and buildings.

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                    Why is Israel obligated to endlessly supply water, power, electricity

                    Because they literally control it. Palestinians are in a concentration camp. Israel is the more powerful one, has a better military, better resources, and they control everything about Gaza. You are effectively asking them to commit a humanitarian crime (which they are doing).

                    “Oh fuck. Afghanistan has Al Qaeda. Let’s just stop their water, power, and internet access because of that.”

                    We don’t even treat the DPRK that way. The world still sends them aid even if they rattle their sabers.

                    If Israel cuts off necessities, or maintains a blockade on those necessities, then the people of Gaza should ask their government want their contingency plan was for supplying those necessities during their genocidal war against the people of Israel.

                    Then Hamas, a corrupt, jihadist organization, will just use the water, food, fuel, and ammunition they stockpiled while the people of Palestine starve and die. “Oh but they should rise up and fight against Hamas!” With what weapons? Food? Fuel? Water?

                    Nonetheless, the core of your statement is: “Let Israel commit a war crime by cutting off water and electricity to Palestine and let them deal with it” (while not acknowledging Israel is ready to move onto the ground and start mowing people down).