I‘m not trying to argue for one side here and I’m certainly no expert in this conflict. All I’ve been saying is that violence is probably not going to be the solution here. Especially not the kind of violence that Israel is and has been putting Palestinians through.
Unfortunately, violence is a part of the solution at this point. Violence is the only thing that stopped the Nazis’ genocidal conquest, it is what enabled the Black South Africans to take back their country from their colonizers. Palestinians tried diplomacy for years, and all it got them was softer genocide. They tried peaceful protest, and their were shot dead by the hundreds. Listen, I get it, violence is not pretty, but when you are dealing with fascists such as the Israelis, you end up not having much choice in the matter. The violence will stop when Israeli apartheid and genocide stops, and that likely won’t stop until Israel as it exists is defeated, as fascism is baked deeply into its political structure.
Then what is the solution to a settler-colonial menace kicking in your door and demanding your land? Acquiescence and surrender? You’d see done to the Palestinians what Amerika has done to the Indigenous and Black populations in their country. Like I said.
What’s the solution that involves violence? It can be a wake up call to start a discussion, but I don’t see how things are going to be solved by it. But you tell me.
When your rip out your intruder by his roots, and cast him into the fire. You cannot really be sitting here trying to justify to someone whose lineage still bears the scars of Amerika’s colonialism, that another people’s settler-colonialism should go unopposed. You can’t be. Expecting the settler to just fuck off back to wherever he came from is idealistic and patently impossible, as Amerika’s example shows us; so what’s left from the perspective of the colonized? Like I said.
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Don’t bother replying; I don’t ‘debate’ with settlers(and settlers aren’t just Amerikan; it’s a state of mind-- but cute ‘gotcha!’ attempt) and you’ve already shown your hand.
No way am I saying it should go unopposed. But I also don’t think “ripping out intruders and casting them into fire” is going to be a feasible solution in this case.
I don’t live in the US btw, if that’s what you mean by “Settler”.
(Are we continuing the discussion by editing the comments now? ^^)
Okay, so “settler” is not a geographical thing for you. Must be nice living in a world where people can be categorized so easily and accurately into two groups. And also nice that good and evil are so plainly obvious. If only the real world wasn’t so complicated.
All you’ve done is complain about the solution the Palestinians have come up with in order to liberate themselves. If an occupying state is doing everything it can to eradicate you and your people what do you think their only choices are going to be?
People like this can’t even bother to think outside the framework of simplistic logic of “violence bad”. Like motherfucker if someone is trying to kill me I’m not just gonna let them… it’s the same dumbfuck horseshoe theory of “violence against oppressors makes you just as bad as the oppressors”
Honestly, much love to the ancestors who paved our way; but I stand on the assertion that the likes of Dr. King and other non-violent activists fucked us all up giving the peckerwoods an ‘idealistically higher’ option to cudgel us with. I don’t doubt they’d have come up with a way to get to the same old horseshoe horseshit “just as bad” nonsense-- but the deliberately-half taught beliefs of Dr. King and nem (because they NEVER teach about the whole “that dream I had, has in many ways become a nightmare” quote, or how he was getting closer in ideology to Ture, and Seale, and el-Shabazz before the government had him murdered) allows these crackers to feel so morally superior when they stare down their nose and hem and haw about how “absolutely evil directly fighting back against one’s oppressor is”.
That’s far from the only thing I’ve been pointing out; besides, its not like the majority of Palestinians themselves even support the “Hamas solution”.
But it’s apparently difficult for people in this discussion to recognize that there can be multiple perspectives and that the reality is probably more complex than “just burn it down” in a conflict that has been going on for a hundred years.
I‘m not trying to argue for one side here and I’m certainly no expert in this conflict. All I’ve been saying is that violence is probably not going to be the solution here. Especially not the kind of violence that Israel is and has been putting Palestinians through.
Unfortunately, violence is a part of the solution at this point. Violence is the only thing that stopped the Nazis’ genocidal conquest, it is what enabled the Black South Africans to take back their country from their colonizers. Palestinians tried diplomacy for years, and all it got them was softer genocide. They tried peaceful protest, and their were shot dead by the hundreds. Listen, I get it, violence is not pretty, but when you are dealing with fascists such as the Israelis, you end up not having much choice in the matter. The violence will stop when Israeli apartheid and genocide stops, and that likely won’t stop until Israel as it exists is defeated, as fascism is baked deeply into its political structure.
Then what is the solution to a settler-colonial menace kicking in your door and demanding your land? Acquiescence and surrender? You’d see done to the Palestinians what Amerika has done to the Indigenous and Black populations in their country. Like I said.
What’s the solution that involves violence? It can be a wake up call to start a discussion, but I don’t see how things are going to be solved by it. But you tell me.
When your rip out your intruder by his roots, and cast him into the fire. You cannot really be sitting here trying to justify to someone whose lineage still bears the scars of Amerika’s colonialism, that another people’s settler-colonialism should go unopposed. You can’t be. Expecting the settler to just fuck off back to wherever he came from is idealistic and patently impossible, as Amerika’s example shows us; so what’s left from the perspective of the colonized? Like I said.
Don’t bother replying; I don’t ‘debate’ with settlers(and settlers aren’t just Amerikan; it’s a state of mind-- but cute ‘gotcha!’ attempt) and you’ve already shown your hand.
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No way am I saying it should go unopposed. But I also don’t think “ripping out intruders and casting them into fire” is going to be a feasible solution in this case.
I don’t live in the US btw, if that’s what you mean by “Settler”. (Are we continuing the discussion by editing the comments now? ^^)
Okay, so “settler” is not a geographical thing for you. Must be nice living in a world where people can be categorized so easily and accurately into two groups. And also nice that good and evil are so plainly obvious. If only the real world wasn’t so complicated.
All you’ve done is complain about the solution the Palestinians have come up with in order to liberate themselves. If an occupying state is doing everything it can to eradicate you and your people what do you think their only choices are going to be?
That peckerwood was still going off over on his instance even after his ban lmfao. Debate pervs gonna debate perv, especially the crackerish ones
People like this can’t even bother to think outside the framework of simplistic logic of “violence bad”. Like motherfucker if someone is trying to kill me I’m not just gonna let them… it’s the same dumbfuck horseshoe theory of “violence against oppressors makes you just as bad as the oppressors”
Honestly, much love to the ancestors who paved our way; but I stand on the assertion that the likes of Dr. King and other non-violent activists fucked us all up giving the peckerwoods an ‘idealistically higher’ option to cudgel us with. I don’t doubt they’d have come up with a way to get to the same old horseshoe horseshit “just as bad” nonsense-- but the deliberately-half taught beliefs of Dr. King and nem (because they NEVER teach about the whole “that dream I had, has in many ways become a nightmare” quote, or how he was getting closer in ideology to Ture, and Seale, and el-Shabazz before the government had him murdered) allows these crackers to feel so morally superior when they stare down their nose and hem and haw about how “absolutely evil directly fighting back against one’s oppressor is”.
That’s far from the only thing I’ve been pointing out; besides, its not like the majority of Palestinians themselves even support the “Hamas solution”. But it’s apparently difficult for people in this discussion to recognize that there can be multiple perspectives and that the reality is probably more complex than “just burn it down” in a conflict that has been going on for a hundred years.
Come at me downvotes