So you would need VAR for pretty much every offside call? There is no way a ref can call precise center of gravity on their own. How would you enforce that rule in lower leagues or even amateur play?
I’d argue calling center of gravity is easier than you think. If my center of gravity (hip/groin area) is past yours, the rest of the body follows and it’s an easy call.
You can see a bodypart sticking out because there is a contrast between the player and the background and in theory the part being offside should always be visible because it’s closest to the goal. How do you see what hip is closer when there are other players‘ legs in the way? Just imagine a free kick into the box with half the teams standing on one line. This is hard enough to call as is but how are they supposed to see everyone’s hip position?
Would still go down to the center of gravity. If we’re standing next to each other, shoulder to shoulder, and I reach with my leg to make a play on the ball, I’m not creating an unfair advantage on the defender. Defender has the ability to reach with their leg and intercept as well.
FWIW I’m in agreement - for me something needs to change as I don’t think the above should be offside, no matter how technically offside it is. As you say it’s about creating an unfair advantage, which there isn’t in the above for me (and I realise the then issue of subjectivity, but then that’s where centre of gravity would be interesting).
My argument is that offsides should be determined by one’s center of gravity and not extremities.
So you would need VAR for pretty much every offside call? There is no way a ref can call precise center of gravity on their own. How would you enforce that rule in lower leagues or even amateur play?
I’d argue calling center of gravity is easier than you think. If my center of gravity (hip/groin area) is past yours, the rest of the body follows and it’s an easy call.
You can see a bodypart sticking out because there is a contrast between the player and the background and in theory the part being offside should always be visible because it’s closest to the goal. How do you see what hip is closer when there are other players‘ legs in the way? Just imagine a free kick into the box with half the teams standing on one line. This is hard enough to call as is but how are they supposed to see everyone’s hip position?
What happens if a player was leaning back with their foot stretched forward to control the ball?
Would still go down to the center of gravity. If we’re standing next to each other, shoulder to shoulder, and I reach with my leg to make a play on the ball, I’m not creating an unfair advantage on the defender. Defender has the ability to reach with their leg and intercept as well.
Fair
FWIW I’m in agreement - for me something needs to change as I don’t think the above should be offside, no matter how technically offside it is. As you say it’s about creating an unfair advantage, which there isn’t in the above for me (and I realise the then issue of subjectivity, but then that’s where centre of gravity would be interesting).
Yep. At some point I feel like the rule will be adjusted but maybe I’m just wrong haha. Most ppl seem to prefer the black and white VAR decisions.