• thepianistfroggollum@lemmynsfw.com
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      It isn’t though, especially if you follow the teachings of Jesus.

      Most self proclaimed Christians just use it as an excuse to justify their hate and don’t actually know what’s in the Bible. Imo Episcopalians get it the most right.

      For instance, the Bible says in like 3 different places that life begins at the first breath. It also literally has abortion ritual instructions.

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        Being Christian has little to do with following Jesus. There’s a whole death of that religion that is very against his teachings.

        In fact, if people really followed Jesus, you wouldn’t even know they were Christians. They’d just be good people.

      • islandofcaucasus@lemmy.world
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        If most people of a specific religion are incompatible with modern society, then the religion is incompatible with modern society.

        If I was in a gang where most of the gang were murderers, it would be safe to say that is a murderous gang even if I myself have never murdered anyone.

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          They aren’t of that religion though. It’s in name only. If most of them called themselves atheists, the beliefs of “atheism” wouldn’t change— those people would just be wrong.

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            Your comment is an example of the ‘no-true scotsman’ falacy. These people believe in Christianity and believe what they are doing is consistent with the religion. That’s literally all it takes to be part of the religion, regardless of whether or not someone else thinks they aren’t following the religion strictly enough. To that end, they could say that you are not a real Christian because you don’t follow their perception of how the religion should be followed. Whose to say who is right when everyone can interpret the bible their own way. And it’s not like the religious leaders are coming out against right wing authoritarianism, hell a lot of them preach every sunday.

            That’s all a long winded way to say that yes, these people are christians and in the united states over half of them believe and vote in a way that makes them incompatible with modern society.

            • Orphie Baby@lemmy.world
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              I’m not going to spend my time arguing with you. I will say this though: Christianity has a source book. Think on it.

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                Ah yes, the source book. The almighty Bible. Full of wonderful passages like: 1 Peter 2:18 - ‘Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh’ Exodus 21:7-8 - ‘When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.’ Hosea 13:16 - ‘Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.’

                Yeah, how could a religion with such a wonderful book ever be bad?

                • Orphie Baby@lemmy.world
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                  You are putting words in my mouth. I’m ex-Christian for a reason. I tried to be minimal with my point, and I really don’t have the mental energy to argue with you more than that right now.

                  • gornar@lemmy.world
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                    That feeling is called “losing an argument” because you haven’t yet bothered to think any of this through. If you analyze this conversation, maybe you can reflect on what you think you believe. I assume you’re not as much of an ex-Christian as you thought you were…

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        There’s a famous saint, Brigid of Kildare, who was an “abortionist.” She was an Irish abbess who performed miracles. One of her nuns got pregnant (legend is spotty about how, if it was rape, consensual, or if the man was a priest or a layman) and Brigid stopped the gestation just by touching the nun’s abdomen. Conservative people will argue and say “no, it wasn’t an abortion, it was a time warp back so the fetus had never been conceived” or something… But… It seemed to be an abortion to me. Of course there’s no record of Brigid’s own memoirs or diaries, just those of her followers and some of the nuns who reported to her, so her life is somewhat mysterious. There’s other saints out there with similar stories about aiding in reproductive choices, but Brigid is the first to come to mind. And as far as the prophets go about the welfare of babies, Solomon encouraged two mothers to split a baby in half. He was somewhat joking as a test to see who was the true mother of the baby, but still, it’s kind of a sick joke and he’s supposed to be one of the good guys. (Also, the false mother is the one who is content about cutting the baby and that makes no sense to me. Even though the King determined the baby wasn’t hers, why does she have no humanity or knowledge of what happens when humans are split apart? Being horrified by his joke isn’t really a requisite to being a real parent).

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          I feel like the Solomon baby story is either abridged or has lost elements to it. Who knows how lomg that fucking argument couldve been going, perhaps “saw the baby in half” was plan z.

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        Most self proclaimed Christians just use it as an excuse to justify their hate

        It’s been like that for two thousand years, other major religions are the same.

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      So you’re saying we shouldn’t trust an organization that only thinks things get better when you die?

      Yeah, not trusting those lunatics with anything