Looking forward to some great insights from the Ayn Rand Institute

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    8 months ago

    If they really want to commit to being the Ayn Rand institute, they should use Ayn Rand’s argument for why Native Americans didn’t have the rights to their land

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      I “like” the text of that speech because it just nakedly shows how much a monster Rand was and the natural conclusion of her “philosophy”. Showed it to a Rand stan I know and she never responded to it.

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        " [Native Americans] didn’t have any rights to the land, and there was no reason for anyone to grant them rights which they had not conceived and were not using. What was it that they were fighting for, when they opposed white men on this continent? For their wish to continue a primitive existence, their ‘right’ to keep part of the earth untouched, unused and not even as property, but just keep everybody out so that you will live practically like an animal, or a few caves above it. Any white person who brings the element of civilization has the right to take over this continent." - Ayn Rand, West Point lecture 1974

        To be clear, Indigenous peoples did have property rights in their own legal codes and did work the land, so she’s even wrong on the basics here, and even if they didn’t would not justify genocide.

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          “The memorandum noted that the Arabs had done nothing for centuries to develop the land and thus had forfeited their rights to the Jews, who, with their skill, energy and resources, had already demonstrated their capacity for developing Palestine and making it prosper. Moreover, it was asserted that the Arabs of Palestine were not ready for self-government in view of widespread illiteracy and lack of education. German interests and aims in Palestine were defined as primarily economic in nature; the Jews, not the Arabs, were considered most capable of creating conditions in Palestine conducive to those interests and aims.”

          many such cases

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          I’ve seen plenty of takes that are just this from zionists the last couple of weeks. It is just the same shit over and over with settler colonialists.

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            Graeber likes talking about the topic, see both Debt: The First 5000 Years and The Dawn of Everything. I’m sure there’s more indigenous sources.

            An opening point would be that “native american” is a very broad category. Many different cultures with different lifestyles and legal codes. Hierarchies and morals. They have effectively been homogenised (in the eyes of their colonisers) by their common oppression and conquest.

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          Even if they didn’t, that argument would only hold up until the very first treaty signed between colonizers and indigenous peoples. 99% of the story of colonization isn’t people showing up to uncontacted tribes, it’s settlers breaking their agreements with contacted ones.

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    I’m curious what deluded bullshit this will be hoping to attract completely uneducated people, but I know I’ll get pissed off so I’ll stay away

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      “I know I’ll get pissed off, so I’ll stay away.”

      That is a daily experience for me, I’m already pissed off enough about many things to a point where it’s negatively affecting my mental health and life in general. I keep ignoring articles, videos, discussions, etc. that are both relevant and interesting to me, but I know I’ll just be angry at the end, so I ignore them or save them to read/watch later when I feel I can handle it. But things are being added to that list faster than I have moments and mental energy to go through them all, even when I consciously don’t save many of them.

      • MerryChristmas [any]@hexbear.net
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        8 months ago

        They aren’t that important and if they are you’ll go through the effort to track them down again. Just a tip from a fellow digital hoarder!

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    Weird because a looong time ago when I was a libertarian nerd I was still pro-Palestine. Like, it’s a pretty straightforward thing even from a libertarian perspective.

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      that’s the contradiction of american right-libertarianism. young internet people get into it because they’re disillusioned with party politics and want an alternative, and they don’t realize that literally all its institutions and major figures are vestigial growths of movement conservatism.

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    They had to put DEBUNKED in bold red letters on the thumnail or else their viewers would plainly see Palestinian land being stripped away with each conflict.

    Barely cohesive propaganda.

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    Much like Gazan hospitals exploding, Israeli territorial expansion just happens spontaneously. Just because Palestinian land happens to contract at the same does not mean Israel is stealing land.

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        it was gromyko that spearheaded the very temporary pro israel position, Stalin did not. The Pan-arab movement at that time was also being subverted by the british (until Nazzer created an actual pan-arab ideology). It was bad, but soviets fully and absolutely denounced zionism soon after the Nabka. Stalin was anti-zionist his whole life, but this part is where the politburo overruled him. Although he could have pushed harder against it.