The Chinese are also pretty cognizant of their emissions. Might be weird to hear, but I’ve been working on a painful research project for the last few months and see a lot of very frank discussion of it in the research. Example, which starts with a pretty matter-of-fact statement about the “unsatisfactory” state of recycling and carbon emissions in the Chinese construction industry.
Clearly, this kind of frank writing doesn’t get you in trouble with the authorities. They know they have a problem that will need to be addressed. They aren’t bullshitting about it. Their officials aren’t pretending the problem of climate change is made up woke propaganda they can ignore. And they have a command economy, so they can simply order businesses, labs, and universities to focus efforts on developing solutions.
Lot of bad things to say about China. It’s an authoritarian state led by a dictator. They definitely put the economy ahead of addressing climate issues. But the also see the harsh reality – failing to address climate will destroy their economy. Failing to address climate will result in anyone else who does out-competing them on the global stage. And soon.
I dont know how you could say that out of any place but ignorance? If they are a dictatorship, they are putting on a massive act of civic democratic engagement, and if they were, there would be leaks because you can not keep something like that secret when the scale is a country of 1.4 billion people.
They have a different style of democracy which prioritizes a different set of rights over western bourgeois democracy.
I would encourage you to try to talk to Chinese people about their government without putting assumptions into your questions or asking leading questions. Actual Chinese people, who live in China. Thanks to the internet this is very easily done.
I would also encourage you to research how Chinese theorists have looked at making stronger democratic mechanisms, and to generally learn the differences between proletarian and bourgeois democracy.
Literally a bunch of muslim delegations from governments that don’t like each other all went to investigate and found all was well.
I am guessing you did not actually trying asking them, I am guessing you read some atrocity propaganda from a corporate newspaper whos owner is terrified of the implications of socialist China.
Did you actually read the report? They literally cite CIA front groups like VoCMF.
Also, just look at it from a historical basis. Has any anti-terrorism program that revolved around repression ever worked, and not just created more terrorism? Does China have a reality altering device that lets them do repression without creating more terrorism, or have you been lied to, given that terrorism has precipitously declined as China has invested in their counterterrorism program primarily based around improving the material conditions in the region?
I have, and they use many multiple sources (including their own) to reach their conclusion, of which the ‘Xinjiang Police Files’ are but one part and backed up by other documentation.
I assume your talking point regurgitation is done without you having the foggiest clue about the actual contents of the report.
Also just take a look at historical basis, genocide has happened many times throughout history. Do you assume genocide has never “worked” and only creates more resistance?
Oh my god, the police files that included ai generated mugshots, published by Adrian Zenz, a literal German fascist who says God has given him a mission to destroy China?
Also just take a look at historical basis, genocide has happened many times throughout history. Do you assume genocide has never “worked” and only creates more resistance?
Genocide creates more violent resistance when it is escalating, even if it eventually wipes out most of a population. Can you name an example of a time when this doesn’t hold true?
Those countries also have economic and otherwise incentive to agree with the world hegemon, the US.
The anglophone corporate media that is pushing out the atrocity propaganda (well, was, China reopening put a real damper on their stories) also has financial incentive to produce propaganda about the main rival of the US.
Or an economic incentive to agree with china, the major world power challenging the US on its position on the world stage. In fact, even more incentive to side with china over the US, as those specific nations all have multiple direct monetary conflicts with US enterprise and military pursuits. Pursuits they would gladly like to take over, and have reason to do business with whomever sides with them over the US on said enterprises.
Youre being played, and letting people die because of it. Just like whats happening in gaza.
Youre being played, and letting people die because of it.
Even the worse claims say that the “repression” is over, and have never included mass murder, so I dont know what you’re on about.
I guess I should ask, why do you have faith in US affiliated media reporting on this, considering that the US has a vested interest in destabilizing China, and obviously cares very little for the lives of Muslims?
Also, just look at it from a historical basis. Has any anti-terrorism program that revolved around repression ever worked, and not just created more terrorism? Does China have a reality altering device that lets them do repression without creating more terrorism, or have you been lied to, given that terrorism has precipitously declined as China has invested in their counterterrorism program primarily based around improving the material conditions in the region?
The same applies to you? Why do you have faith in chinese affiliated media, who has a vested interest in usurping US footholds and making deals with chinese markets?
Dont act like china doesnt have a history of repression like every other major world power. China isnt special, or new. They arent your friend, theyre the next US. They dont care that some historians say it doesnt work, the same argument applies to the japanese concentration camps in the US during WW2.
Its embarassing to watch you, in the same paragraph, try and mock trusting 1 faceless monoliths propaganda while unquestionably parroting anothers. Calling a historically suppressed minority a terrorist population? Fucking shame on you.
Grade A tankie shit is taking advice on how to respect religious freedom and human rights from Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Syria, Bahrain, Tunisia, and Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Because taking advice from the country of “don’t say gay”, “oops I invaded Iraq”, “hundreds of thousands murdered in the Middle East”, “oops I couped another democratically-elected government”, “rape on foreign military bases”…
These countries probably care more about the religious freedom of Muslims then the US though, which loves killing Muslims and has killed millions of muslim civilians in recent history in their own “war on terror”
You think Muslim majority countries care less about the right to practice Islam than the US, which routinely spies on mosques in the US and has killed millions of Muslim civilians in recent history? Who are supportive of the client state of Israel committing genocide against Palestinians as we speak? Which media depicts Muslims as brown savages? Who’s soldiers commonly refer to Muslims as Sand N-words?
Are you being literal or is their another meaning you are trying to imply?
The Chinese are also pretty cognizant of their emissions. Might be weird to hear, but I’ve been working on a painful research project for the last few months and see a lot of very frank discussion of it in the research. Example, which starts with a pretty matter-of-fact statement about the “unsatisfactory” state of recycling and carbon emissions in the Chinese construction industry.
Clearly, this kind of frank writing doesn’t get you in trouble with the authorities. They know they have a problem that will need to be addressed. They aren’t bullshitting about it. Their officials aren’t pretending the problem of climate change is made up woke propaganda they can ignore. And they have a command economy, so they can simply order businesses, labs, and universities to focus efforts on developing solutions.
Lot of bad things to say about China. It’s an authoritarian state led by a dictator. They definitely put the economy ahead of addressing climate issues. But the also see the harsh reality – failing to address climate will destroy their economy. Failing to address climate will result in anyone else who does out-competing them on the global stage. And soon.
They’re cognizant and have been caught multiple times outright fabricating stats.
E.G. the hole in the ozone layer is growing because they’re still using CFCs.
I dont know how you could say that out of any place but ignorance? If they are a dictatorship, they are putting on a massive act of civic democratic engagement, and if they were, there would be leaks because you can not keep something like that secret when the scale is a country of 1.4 billion people.
They have a different style of democracy which prioritizes a different set of rights over western bourgeois democracy.
I would encourage you to try to talk to Chinese people about their government without putting assumptions into your questions or asking leading questions. Actual Chinese people, who live in China. Thanks to the internet this is very easily done.
I would also encourage you to research how Chinese theorists have looked at making stronger democratic mechanisms, and to generally learn the differences between proletarian and bourgeois democracy.
95 percent of Chinese people are satisfied with their government https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/
I tried asking some Uighurs but they never answered.
https://muslimmirror.com/eng/islamic-delegation-visiting-chinas-xinjiang-region-says-all-is-well-here/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220810-diplomats-from-30-muslim-countries-visited-chinas-xinjiang-region/amp/
Literally a bunch of muslim delegations from governments that don’t like each other all went to investigate and found all was well.
I am guessing you did not actually trying asking them, I am guessing you read some atrocity propaganda from a corporate newspaper whos owner is terrified of the implications of socialist China.
And the United Nations (of Earth) investigated and found all was not well.
OHCHR Assessment of human rights concerns in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, People’s Republic of China
I know who I trust more.
Did you actually read the report? They literally cite CIA front groups like VoCMF.
Also, just look at it from a historical basis. Has any anti-terrorism program that revolved around repression ever worked, and not just created more terrorism? Does China have a reality altering device that lets them do repression without creating more terrorism, or have you been lied to, given that terrorism has precipitously declined as China has invested in their counterterrorism program primarily based around improving the material conditions in the region?
I have, and they use many multiple sources (including their own) to reach their conclusion, of which the ‘Xinjiang Police Files’ are but one part and backed up by other documentation.
I assume your talking point regurgitation is done without you having the foggiest clue about the actual contents of the report.
Also just take a look at historical basis, genocide has happened many times throughout history. Do you assume genocide has never “worked” and only creates more resistance?
Oh my god, the police files that included ai generated mugshots, published by Adrian Zenz, a literal German fascist who says God has given him a mission to destroy China?
Genocide creates more violent resistance when it is escalating, even if it eventually wipes out most of a population. Can you name an example of a time when this doesn’t hold true?
Right, the governments with financial incentive to agree with china agreed with china
I bet you think america is telling the truth about checking israels self reported war crime statistics too, huh?
Those countries also have economic and otherwise incentive to agree with the world hegemon, the US.
The anglophone corporate media that is pushing out the atrocity propaganda (well, was, China reopening put a real damper on their stories) also has financial incentive to produce propaganda about the main rival of the US.
Or an economic incentive to agree with china, the major world power challenging the US on its position on the world stage. In fact, even more incentive to side with china over the US, as those specific nations all have multiple direct monetary conflicts with US enterprise and military pursuits. Pursuits they would gladly like to take over, and have reason to do business with whomever sides with them over the US on said enterprises.
Youre being played, and letting people die because of it. Just like whats happening in gaza.
Even the worse claims say that the “repression” is over, and have never included mass murder, so I dont know what you’re on about.
I guess I should ask, why do you have faith in US affiliated media reporting on this, considering that the US has a vested interest in destabilizing China, and obviously cares very little for the lives of Muslims?
Also, just look at it from a historical basis. Has any anti-terrorism program that revolved around repression ever worked, and not just created more terrorism? Does China have a reality altering device that lets them do repression without creating more terrorism, or have you been lied to, given that terrorism has precipitously declined as China has invested in their counterterrorism program primarily based around improving the material conditions in the region?
The same applies to you? Why do you have faith in chinese affiliated media, who has a vested interest in usurping US footholds and making deals with chinese markets?
Dont act like china doesnt have a history of repression like every other major world power. China isnt special, or new. They arent your friend, theyre the next US. They dont care that some historians say it doesnt work, the same argument applies to the japanese concentration camps in the US during WW2.
Its embarassing to watch you, in the same paragraph, try and mock trusting 1 faceless monoliths propaganda while unquestionably parroting anothers. Calling a historically suppressed minority a terrorist population? Fucking shame on you.
Grade A tankie shit is taking advice on how to respect religious freedom and human rights from Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Syria, Bahrain, Tunisia, and Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Because taking advice from the country of “don’t say gay”, “oops I invaded Iraq”, “hundreds of thousands murdered in the Middle East”, “oops I couped another democratically-elected government”, “rape on foreign military bases”…
These countries probably care more about the religious freedom of Muslims then the US though, which loves killing Muslims and has killed millions of muslim civilians in recent history in their own “war on terror”
Also literally 30 countries sent delegations
Strongly doubt that.
I’m sure they care more about the religious freedoms of their own sects freedom, but I’d say that concerns ends at their border.
You think Muslim majority countries care less about the right to practice Islam than the US, which routinely spies on mosques in the US and has killed millions of Muslim civilians in recent history? Who are supportive of the client state of Israel committing genocide against Palestinians as we speak? Which media depicts Muslims as brown savages? Who’s soldiers commonly refer to Muslims as Sand N-words?
Are you being literal or is their another meaning you are trying to imply?
Yes.
You seem to be under the tankie misunderstanding that just because America is bad that other places must be better.