Jake Daniels, the UK's only openly gay active male professional footballer, speaks about his mental health, Jordan Henderson and the 18 months since coming out.
Do you see your logic? Henderson is a worse person than Gerrard even though they are doing the same thing because Henderson spoke up for gay people in this country and Gerrard didn’t.
I personally think Henderson is a worse person for that. Gerrard hasn’t been for or against a sensitive subject like that so if he goes to SA for lots of money, fine, I still think less of him. In my opinion, Henderson is held to higher standard because of his public support for LGBTIQA+.
I’m simplifying but it’s like seeing the average joe driving a Hummer and then Thunberg driving a Hummer. Obviously we’d think much less of Thunberg.
People assume Henderson did that stuff in the UK for PR reasons and actually doesn’t care. Someone who doesn’t care but pretends to for personal gain is worse than someone who doesn’t care for a lot of people.
The comparison doesn’t hold. I’ve already explained why. “Worse” doesn’t come into it. It’s not relevant to why the comparison is awful.
“Person says A is a terrible thing and then does A.”
“Person says nothing public about B and then does B.”
I shouldn’t have to break it down that basic for you but apparently, you don’t get it unless I do.
“Are Liverpool fans not singing about Steven Gerrard any more?” was the qoute. The inference being that gerrard did bad things and is still a hero so why isn’t Henderson? For the reason I just explained.
But Henderson hasn’t done ‘A’. He’s just sold out to people who do ‘A’.
Whereas Gerrard has done ‘B’. Which is bad regardless of whether or not he’s publicly denounced it previously. Because organised crime and physically attacking people is bad by default.
That’s the comparison. Gerrard’s reputation is intact because barely anyone gives a shit about the moral dimension of his character. By this same measure, Henderson’s will be fine also.
Your logic is astoundingly moronic. It’s like saying Adam Johnson never spoke out against pumping kids so doesn’t belong in the same conversation as Henderson.
But Henderson hasn’t done ‘A’. He’s just sold out to people who do ‘A’.
Thats a semantic argument that I don’t think too many people will swallow. You might want to google what tacit agreement means. “I’m not a bigot! I simply espoused equality and then…went to work for bigots. I also spout their PR and say what they tell me to say…but its totally different!”
If you buy that, I might interest you in some magic beans.
Your logic is astoundingly moronic.
My logic is astoundingly logical. You, however, have skipped too many stops on the logic train.
The worst thing Henderson has done is that he held insincere public positions which he sold out on.
He’s as much or as little of a bigot for this as Ronaldo, Kante, Firmino, et al are. Or anyone who plays for PSG or Newcastle or Man City. Which is to say, not at all.
How this is worse in your head to physically assaulting someone and being in with organised crime is just a mark of how terminally online you are.
I believe Steven Gerrard has now indeed “fucked off to Saudi Arabia for money” so I guess his only merit is that he didn’t support LGBTQ causes? That makes him better than Henderson?
If you’re promoting LGBTQ and calling yourself a supporter, then the first opportunity you get are happy to fuck off to a country where you can be killed for being gay then you very clearly do not care at all about the cause you claim to champion. That’s the issue people have with him, he never gave a shit at all but decided to use the gay community for some good PR and then was happy to throw them away as soon as someone offered him more money.
Most people in real life don’t give a shit that he spoke up about gay rights than went off to Saudi Arabia. He’s still going to be considered a legend by most Liverpool fans, regardless of whatever Reddit thinks.
Obviously I can’t speak for all Liverpool fans but I know after his move to Saudi lots don’t see him as a club legend regardless of what he won with us.
I think Gerrard tarnished his legacy with fans by going out there as well.
Football has never had as much fanatical support by people who have access to info at their fingertips in an era where everything is so well documented. Time will tell how this generation of players will be remembered, but players from 10-15 years ago are remembered as snakes and these sentiments get passed along on places like reddit where people of many ages talk shit about footy.
Will be interesting to see how someone who should be a club legend will be remembered in 20 years.
Dude I doubt people will be talking about this in 2 years let alone 15.
So many players are selling out for oil money, including Messi and Ronaldo that it’s not going to care about specific individuals. That’s sportswashing for ya
He didn’t throw it all away.
He’s already a Liverpool legend regardless. He captained the team to the first league title in 30 years and a CL title as well.
He’s getting playing time and the bag in Saudi Arabia. Can’t blame him.
Are Liverpool fans not singing about Steven Gerrard any more?
Did Steven Gerrard make a big show of supporting LGBT and then fuck off to Saudia Arabia for money?
No?
Okay, then your comparison is pointless.
Do you see your logic? Henderson is a worse person than Gerrard even though they are doing the same thing because Henderson spoke up for gay people in this country and Gerrard didn’t.
I personally think Henderson is a worse person for that. Gerrard hasn’t been for or against a sensitive subject like that so if he goes to SA for lots of money, fine, I still think less of him. In my opinion, Henderson is held to higher standard because of his public support for LGBTIQA+.
I’m simplifying but it’s like seeing the average joe driving a Hummer and then Thunberg driving a Hummer. Obviously we’d think much less of Thunberg.
People assume Henderson did that stuff in the UK for PR reasons and actually doesn’t care. Someone who doesn’t care but pretends to for personal gain is worse than someone who doesn’t care for a lot of people.
So Tottenham fans should like Sol Campbell more than other Arsenal players because he played for Tottenham first. That’s also a great logic
Thats…not my logic.
Gerrard only physically assaulted someone and sucks up to organised crime.
But did he come out against violence and organised crime BEFORE he did those things?
I never claimed he wasn’t a dick. I claimed comparisons to Henderson were erroneous.
The comparison holds, Gerrard’s reputation is fine despite his ties to organised crime and his own historic offence(s).
Henderson’s hypocrisy vis-a-vis Saudi Arabia does not outweigh that in most people’s estimation.
And if you think insincerely milking a bit of positive PR is worse than assaulting someone, then you need to get out more.
The comparison doesn’t hold. I’ve already explained why. “Worse” doesn’t come into it. It’s not relevant to why the comparison is awful.
“Person says A is a terrible thing and then does A.”
“Person says nothing public about B and then does B.”
I shouldn’t have to break it down that basic for you but apparently, you don’t get it unless I do.
“Are Liverpool fans not singing about Steven Gerrard any more?” was the qoute. The inference being that gerrard did bad things and is still a hero so why isn’t Henderson? For the reason I just explained.
It’s a terrible, terrible comparison.
But Henderson hasn’t done ‘A’. He’s just sold out to people who do ‘A’.
Whereas Gerrard has done ‘B’. Which is bad regardless of whether or not he’s publicly denounced it previously. Because organised crime and physically attacking people is bad by default.
That’s the comparison. Gerrard’s reputation is intact because barely anyone gives a shit about the moral dimension of his character. By this same measure, Henderson’s will be fine also.
Your logic is astoundingly moronic. It’s like saying Adam Johnson never spoke out against pumping kids so doesn’t belong in the same conversation as Henderson.
Thats a semantic argument that I don’t think too many people will swallow. You might want to google what tacit agreement means. “I’m not a bigot! I simply espoused equality and then…went to work for bigots. I also spout their PR and say what they tell me to say…but its totally different!”
If you buy that, I might interest you in some magic beans.
My logic is astoundingly logical. You, however, have skipped too many stops on the logic train.
The worst thing Henderson has done is that he held insincere public positions which he sold out on.
He’s as much or as little of a bigot for this as Ronaldo, Kante, Firmino, et al are. Or anyone who plays for PSG or Newcastle or Man City. Which is to say, not at all.
How this is worse in your head to physically assaulting someone and being in with organised crime is just a mark of how terminally online you are.
I believe Steven Gerrard has now indeed “fucked off to Saudi Arabia for money” so I guess his only merit is that he didn’t support LGBTQ causes? That makes him better than Henderson?
If you’re promoting LGBTQ and calling yourself a supporter, then the first opportunity you get are happy to fuck off to a country where you can be killed for being gay then you very clearly do not care at all about the cause you claim to champion. That’s the issue people have with him, he never gave a shit at all but decided to use the gay community for some good PR and then was happy to throw them away as soon as someone offered him more money.
Most people in real life don’t give a shit that he spoke up about gay rights than went off to Saudi Arabia. He’s still going to be considered a legend by most Liverpool fans, regardless of whatever Reddit thinks.
Obviously I can’t speak for all Liverpool fans but I know after his move to Saudi lots don’t see him as a club legend regardless of what he won with us.
I think Gerrard tarnished his legacy with fans by going out there as well.
Can blame him.
Football has never had as much fanatical support by people who have access to info at their fingertips in an era where everything is so well documented. Time will tell how this generation of players will be remembered, but players from 10-15 years ago are remembered as snakes and these sentiments get passed along on places like reddit where people of many ages talk shit about footy. Will be interesting to see how someone who should be a club legend will be remembered in 20 years.
Dude I doubt people will be talking about this in 2 years let alone 15.
So many players are selling out for oil money, including Messi and Ronaldo that it’s not going to care about specific individuals. That’s sportswashing for ya