I’m confused, was he detained only cuz he’s famous? Yes the preacher he reposted is radical preacher but aren’t like 99.9% of Muslim preachers radical 🤣
No more FUT Birthday card for you
free speech except there are rules for you
European countries dont have free speech laws like the US does
Holy shit it’s not locked
So much tribalism in the replies of this post
The guy has posted on October 14 (and quickly deleted afterwards) a genocidal video towards Israel. At which point is someone not compatibile with humanity? I wonder what’s the line here? Where’s “too much”? When someone consciously uploads stuff about exterminating a whole nation — I think he’s passed that.
Whole Israeli government, IDF and a lot of Israeli citizens are not compatible with humanity by that metric then
Nothing pisses me off more than political correctness no free speech and terrible reddit mods
Full freedom of speech is an awful idea. If I go into an airport and start threatening to bomb the plane I’m about to get on, I’m going to have consequences for what I said
Threatening an entire race by wishing them “a dark day” is a little different
it’s a religion not a race btw. Tells you about who’s believing zionist propaganda iq
Pure free speech is nice conceptually but it’s ultimately not conducive to an ideal society. Things like hate speech laws in the UK go against free speech but ultimately protect marginalised communities from persecution and allow everyone to feel safe.
Being tolerant towards the intolerant leads to disaster
It’s the tolerant paradox.
I agree , hate speech is the biggest bs bc it can be interpreted as someone wants
Calling for the death of an entire religious group no longer classifies as free speech and goes over to hate speech.
But I thought he was a Nice footballer
It seems the footballer wasn’t that nice…
^(Someone had to say it before they lock the thread…)
He was a Nice footballer dude, facts don’t care about your feelings.
Doesn’t sound like a nice footballer to me.
Check complete
good process
This is the first Israel-Palestine thread that hasn’t been locked on here within an hr in ages. That’s all I gotta say, Im surprised.
I’m shocked, shocked I tell you.
Here’s your winnings.
Force à lui.
Good.
Being critical of what Israel is doing right now is completely fine and I am certainly a supporter of the palestinian struggle, but platforming a preacher calling for a “dark day” for all jews is not something that should be supported either. It’s a shame that so many people can’t seem to differ between jewish people and israel, it just makes it so much easier for israel to hide behind the “antisemitism” argument whenever their actions are called into question. However, antisemitism is still a big issue in the pro-palestinian camp.
If most of the anti Israel really cared about the Palestinians, you’d get the same amount of people protesting wrongs in Saudi, Yemen, Ethiopia, Somalia, Sudan, slave trade in Libya etc.
Instead you get 10-20x more interest because a lot of these protestors are actually antisemite using this as a platform to spew their hatred.
Are there decent people? Sure. However just by looking at the magnitude of difference between this conflict and any other conflict should tell you that something else is driving it
The west is complicit in what is happening in Israel and Palestine. That’s why it’s more visible.
I agree we should all care more about all those other places as well.
Did you also use this rationale pre-October 7th when the western world was entirely focussed on the war in Ukraine? And if so I’d be fascinated to hear what sinister reasons were behind the millions of protestors for that war because, obviously, as they weren’t protesting literally every single conflict in the world they couldn’t have genuinely cared about Ukrainian lives or the right for that country to exist.
It’s really not as deep as you’re making out, certain conflicts are more relevant and get more media coverage in certain areas. People don’t have the time or the energy to protest every single conflict in the world and you can’t hold that against them.
How much money and weaponry do Western governments give Somalian pirates and Libyan slavers versus how much to the Israeli government? People will be more angry when there’s a level of complicity from the so-called “international community”.
I know I certainly feel a different exasperation due to me being Jewish and the Israeli government using people like me as cover for their horrible actions by trying to conflate criticism of Israel with antisemitism while allying with genuine antisemites as long as they support Israel (or at least hate Palestinians more).
Many of the people here are also actively support Russia.
This is incredibly useless rhetoric. Were the anti Vietnam war protests also done for an ulterior motive because there weren’t any protests against the Cyprus war or some shit?
Maybe people are protesting against this one because over the past 10-15 years it’s been one of the most discussed topics in mainstream media while the other ones are kinda just shoved aside.
Maybe people are outraged at this one in particular because the US and a lot of Europe are all too eager to condone what Israel is doing.
Are there anti semites in the anti Israel crowd? Most certainly, but i can just turn around and point out just as many islamophobes on the other side who would be so happy if everyone in Gaza just disappeared.
I also think the issue is that western governments support Israel with the U.S. directly funding its genocide. Western governments are quick to condemn human rights violations in Russia, China and Saudi. Which to be fair are completely justified. Yet when confronted with Israeli human rights violations they are not only silent but supportive of it. That’s what angers me.
People care about this conflict because major powers with deep pockets have made it the top geopolitical priority in the region. Between the US and the rich Arab Gulf countries, over a trillion dollars were probably spent funding and promoting this conflict.
As much as people like to think of themselves as independent thinkers, the average person’s opinion on foreign affairs is largely shaped by the geopolitical interests of their countries. The reason your average American cares about Taiwan and not the countless territorial disputes elsewhere in the world is largely the result of the US-China political escalation. It’s also why people in the west are all of a sudden “care” about Uyghurs and their century-long issues with the central Chinese government and not people who are actually getting genocided as we speak like the Amhara in Ethiopia.
I think you’re being a bit too cynical. The average person is appalled by and cares about any genocide. I’d say the main difference between the examples you gave is people’s awareness of what’s happening
I can’t believe placing a giant religious symbol in the middle of the flag is causing people to conflate the two.
Does Turkey represent all muslims? Does Pakistan? Does comoros?
Were any of those states founded specifically to serve as a homeland for all Muslims?
The problem with the current situation is both sides decided to walk away from each other instead of towards each other.
So where 15 years ago, sitting down and figuring something out was on the agenda, now the agenda is genocide.
I don’t see this ending well for anyone, but it’s also pretty clear it’s going to end a lot worse for the Palestinians.
You mean kinda how Israelis can’t see the difference between people stuck in an open air prison versus Hamas sympathizers?
Have you ever seen a prison with luxury malls, restaurants and beach clubs?
Which is weird considering an „open air prison" is usually defined as a ghetto.
Yeah, they’re just as wrong as the preacher.
It’s not about that. It’s how anyone supporting the freedom of Palestinians is treated to a draconian moral standard where the messaging always has to be perfect. Whereas Zionist politicians can openly say hateful things and at best get a handwriting non-response from the US.
The messaging doesn’t have to be perfect it just can’t be ‘kill all the jews’, it’s not exactly a high bar.
This is untrue, if the message isn’t anything other than “i unequivocally support Israel” then you’re open to criticism and often times much worse (loss of employment etc)
But this is not true. I wouldn’t know too much about where you’re from (based on your flair) but in America, we’ve seen people from all walks of life put under social and professional pressure for supporting Palestine in the simplest terms. Either saying free Palestine or critiquing Israel as an apartheid state. Many countries have made it untenable to critique Israel purely based on their actions.
And if I’m being honest, I think you must’ve known that (or should have known that) people are being smeared, fired from popular positions, and even attempts to censor a US congresswoman regarding people who don’t say anything near what you claimed was the bar.
Perfect reply
If someone called for a dark day against Russians you wouldn’t bat an eye
If you are wondering this this post wasn’t locked so quick. Because it’s a post painting Palestinian supporters as anti-Semitic. So it’s good for the agenda.
Dude, did you even read why he was arrested?