And that’s cool and all but ain’t no way you will convince everyone to quit eating meat. Especially given that it’s not always a matter of choosing. Even then acting morally superior ain’t helping.
It’s the same discussion with cars, people will do whatever is most convenient and available, if you don’t want people to use cars you don’t go around telling tjem not to use it, you act on the city’s design and public transport to make it so it is convenient to use the alternatives and then you start banning cars from city centers, then move towards the periphery, etc etc. All these are actions taken at the source. Sure telling people to mot use cars as much, to carpool, etc will help a bit but it ain’t gonna solve your issues chief.
Maybe we can’t convince everyone to quit eating meat, but I would hope that we could appeal to self-described environmentalists, who have a stated interest in making sustainable changes.
That’s the OP’s point, after all. That the science unambiguously states that we need to stop eating meat if we care about meeting our climate goals. Any environmentalist who learns that this needs to happen and still chooses to eat meat is acting against their own ethics.
But you’re still pushing the responsibility to individuals, which is literally an oil company tactic.
“You eat meat? Guess you aren’t a real environmentalist after all!” Is not the way we’ll get more people to quit eating meat. In fact you can’t even know why they eat meat despite knowing it’s bad for the environment. And it still won’t address the problem.
It has to be both. Our World in Data puts it one way:
Or to cut through the flowery language - farms need to stop producing meat, and people need to stop eating it.
And that’s cool and all but ain’t no way you will convince everyone to quit eating meat. Especially given that it’s not always a matter of choosing. Even then acting morally superior ain’t helping.
It’s the same discussion with cars, people will do whatever is most convenient and available, if you don’t want people to use cars you don’t go around telling tjem not to use it, you act on the city’s design and public transport to make it so it is convenient to use the alternatives and then you start banning cars from city centers, then move towards the periphery, etc etc. All these are actions taken at the source. Sure telling people to mot use cars as much, to carpool, etc will help a bit but it ain’t gonna solve your issues chief.
Maybe we can’t convince everyone to quit eating meat, but I would hope that we could appeal to self-described environmentalists, who have a stated interest in making sustainable changes.
That’s the OP’s point, after all. That the science unambiguously states that we need to stop eating meat if we care about meeting our climate goals. Any environmentalist who learns that this needs to happen and still chooses to eat meat is acting against their own ethics.
But you’re still pushing the responsibility to individuals, which is literally an oil company tactic.
“You eat meat? Guess you aren’t a real environmentalist after all!” Is not the way we’ll get more people to quit eating meat. In fact you can’t even know why they eat meat despite knowing it’s bad for the environment. And it still won’t address the problem.
This isn’t a race to moral purity.
Ok but remember this part?