Like the previous comment said, not a very effective genocide. Land wise, Palestinians were offered their own state on 48, they rejected so that Jewish people will not have their own state.
Their rejection is understandable. The west/UN offered them land? Shouldn’t the people who had lived there for generations be able to decide for themselves?
Jews have lived in this land for many generations as well and equally have the right for that land as well. That’s not to say that they should drive whoever lived there out.
They were offered full citizenship and their own full sovereign country which they didn’t have before but they refused and instead declared war.
Jews have lived in this land for many generations as well and equally have the right for that land as well.
I don’t know, man. Many Arab Jews lived in Palestine alongside everyone else just fine… but those you are talking about weren’t in Palestine since what year? since like 600 BC? 🤔 No offense, buddy, but if you don’t live in a place for that long, it’s not really yours anymore… and if you have to ethnically cleanse the population (the Nakba) then that raises more eyebrows, sounds like the land isn’t yours… sounds like colonialism to me.
They were offered full citizenship and their own full sovereign country which they didn’t have before but they refused and instead declared war.
LOOK AT ME! I’M ISRAEL! I TAKE TWO-THIRDS OF THE CAKE, YES? AND YOU GET 1 THIRD OF THE CAKE, YES? THAT IS FAIR. WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT’S NOT FAIR??? WE WILL BOMB YOU TO THE GROUND!!!
Maybe we should all take over Africa, since we ALL have the right to live there and exploit its riches, being homo sapiens and all.
Jews have lived in this land. They were given part of that land again after ww2 by a UN decision. Arabs that were living there were also given part.
Jews were willing to share their part of the land with the Arabs, as equal citizens
Jews accepted the offer, Arabs didn’t and declared war.
Everything since then just went downhill
Personally, I’m in favor of going back to the original resolution and have two countries. But if having sharing one country will end the conflict, then by all means…
Unfortunately both sides don’t have enough interest of solving this conflict…
Yes, a Jewish minority lived in Palestine with no problems as far as I know. But again, they where offered citizenship and a sovereign country. This is not something that should be offered by the rest of the world, or by a bunch of immigrants with a motive to create their own country specifically for themselves.
If you are talking about the water situation in Gaza prior to October 7th, I want to remind you that Gaza also borders with Egypt and any humanitarian crisis that is present in Gaza could be easily aided by Egypt, opening its borders and providing them all the water they need.
They are their “brothers” after all.
In my opinion, Israel has the right to refuse aid to a place that constantly fires rockets at them. But Egypt, What is their excuse? Why are you not pointing your criticism towards them as well?
The sad thing is that Israel has developed advanced technology to shoot rockets in the air. This paradoxically has been a mistake as it normalizes firing rockets as long as the casualty numbers are very low.
Please, if you can, tell me of any other example of a country that will allow constant barraging rockets towards its land and still provide aid to their enemy?
In my opinion, Israel has the right to refuse aid to a place that constantly fires rockets at them.
Ah yes, Israel has the right to collective punishment 😍 not like, “sanctions” or something of a political caliber, nope, just straight out no food or water or meds or fuel so that children can die in their hospital beds from 100% preventable diseases.
still provide aid to their enemy?
Funny how it’s not Hamas that’s starving, just the other 2.3 million Gazans, of which about 1 million are children.
Can you explain to me how your views fit with the fact that Israel steals natural water resources from Gazans?
In Gaza, the only source of surface water has been the Wadi Gaza. There are claims that Israel diverts part of its water for agricultural purposes within Israel prior to its arrival to Gaza.[40][41]
Same for the West Bank:
According to a World Bank report, Israel extracted 80% more water from the West Bank than agreed in the Oslo Accord, while Palestinian abstractions were within the agreed range.
Israel has no right to deny food or water to a place that they control the borders too. Thankfully, this isn’t something that requires your opinion. Blockading another country is an act of war. Occupying forces are required to provide required food and water to populations they occupy. Something Israel has been doing for 17 years.
The Egypt thing is a BS racist side argument and you know it. It is used to justify illegal actions on the part of Israel, with the full knowledge that the Rafa crossing is controlled by both Egypt and Israel, and really it’s controlled by the US. The second the Egyptian government at the time opened the Rafa border crossing, there would immediately be another Egyptian government taking its place.
Israel is an Apartheid state, exactly like Apartheid South Africa. It is as evil as Apartheid South Africa was. Desmond Tutu, and other black people that suffered under Apartheid South Africa rule that have visited Gaza have stated that the Palestinians have it worse in the Gaza strip then they had it under apartheid rule in South Africa.
Finally, to your question trying to justify ethnic cleansing: EVERY OCCUPYING POWER SINCE WW2. Israel is treated differently than every other county in that it doesn’t have to abide by the same standards as anyone else. Stop trying to pretend that criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic. It isn’t. I’m not criticizing Egypt right now because they didn’t kill 8,000 children in two months. Come back with your “Why aren’t you critizing them” bullshit when they go free fire insane like Israel has.
Your wonderful country little democracy killed 8,000 children in 2 months. Stop trying to pretend that it is a reasonable country.
It’s an act of defense against an occupying power that slaughters them when they try unarmed peaceful resistance. Remember two years ago? I do.
I’m also done interacting with someone who continues to ignore the 8000 dead children in two months because they know that that is morally indefensible.
The situation with the Palestinians in Gaza is very tragic and sad. At no point did I ignore it. War is horrible and especially when Hamas embeds itself inside the civilian population, people get hurt and it’s very sad.
I think that you, however, are completely oblivious to the suffering on the other side. There are still little children held hostage in the tunnels under Gaza. Call it resistance, freedom fighting as much as you want. It’s no less tragic.
Even though Hamas started this round, the question of who started it is irrelevant. The relevant question is how does it end. No side is willing to make any compromise and I fear this will go on for years still.
War is horrible and especially when Hamas embeds itself inside the civilian population, people get hurt and it’s very sad.
War is horrible and especially when Israel embeds itself inside the civilian population, killing everyone and anyone, going into a hospital to shoot people or sniping doctors from outside, people get hurt and it’s very sad.
Hamas doesn’t embed itself. It IS the government. Everyone says Hamas and people think of the Hamas soldiers.
The health organizations that counted the dead while there still were hospitals? Hamas. However, that Hamas pencil pusher that has never picked up a gun will still have his apartment blown up because he is ‘Hamas’. It’s like complaining the DMV clerk is a marine because they’re both part of the American government.
And yes, war is terrible. It’s why after ww2 most of the nations agreed certain things were wrong and not allowed in war. You know, the things Israel is doing. The things that we’ve been blasting Russia for doing in Ukraine with words like ‘genocide’ and ‘war crimes’. Things like collective punishment, intentional targeting of civilian populations, using white phosphorus against civilians, intentionally starving civilians, intentionally depriving civilians under your control of water. These are all war crimes.
I’m not oblivious to the suffering. I have as much sympathy for them as I do for visitors to a slave plantation caught up in a slave uprising. Which is to say, some, but not too much. The blame should lay on the family that took their children to a plantation, knowing it was a plantation.
There is no moral standard that allows you to denounce Hamas, and yet praise the ANC during apartheid south Africa, or Nat Turners uprising, or John Brown at Harpers Ferry.
This is simple. It isn’t complex. You would have been on the side of apartheid south Africa because of the necklacing that the ANC did. You would have denounced the ickiness of John Browns attempts to stop slavery because he was just too violent. You would have denounced the Easter uprising, because it was too uncivil and the British were just there to civilize the Irish. I have no respect for people that justify apartheid or colonial oppression because the person struggling with a boot on their throat is too unseemly.
There is no compromise with someone standing on your throat. They need to remove their fucking foot before a discussion can even start.
This will go on for awhile, but Oct. 7th killed the myth of Israeli invincibility forever. The subsequent slaughter of civilians by the IDF, and all of the despicable lies about decapitated babies had killed Israels international reputation. Some things like Ethnic Cleansing are a bit too much to cover up.
P.S. the ADL spied on black anti apartheid activists in America for Israel on behalf of apartheid South Africa. It almost got the ADL banned in America. Israel was extremely friendly with Apartheid South Africa, even as most of the world was boycotting them, because Israel even then recognized that it was also an apartheid country. Oh, and South Africa let them test their nukes of the coastline.
Look at the map of where Palestinians are living in 1948 (or hell, even 1966) vs now. Then you’ll see why it’s called a genocide.
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Have you seen the West Bank?
Like the previous comment said, not a very effective genocide. Land wise, Palestinians were offered their own state on 48, they rejected so that Jewish people will not have their own state.
Their rejection is understandable. The west/UN offered them land? Shouldn’t the people who had lived there for generations be able to decide for themselves?
Jews have lived in this land for many generations as well and equally have the right for that land as well. That’s not to say that they should drive whoever lived there out. They were offered full citizenship and their own full sovereign country which they didn’t have before but they refused and instead declared war.
Somebody doesn’t even pretend to have ever read a book in their life or listened to somebody who actually lives there.
Do you just want to troll or have a meaningful discussion?
No meaningful conversation to be had with somebody who spouts such blatant obvious falsehoods.
Sorry I won’t waste my time replying and compiling sources just so you can call them all fake. 🤷
I don’t know, man. Many Arab Jews lived in Palestine alongside everyone else just fine… but those you are talking about weren’t in Palestine since what year? since like 600 BC? 🤔 No offense, buddy, but if you don’t live in a place for that long, it’s not really yours anymore… and if you have to ethnically cleanse the population (the Nakba) then that raises more eyebrows, sounds like the land isn’t yours… sounds like colonialism to me.
LOOK AT ME! I’M ISRAEL! I TAKE TWO-THIRDS OF THE CAKE, YES? AND YOU GET 1 THIRD OF THE CAKE, YES? THAT IS FAIR. WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT’S NOT FAIR??? WE WILL BOMB YOU TO THE GROUND!!!
Maybe we should all take over Africa, since we ALL have the right to live there and exploit its riches, being homo sapiens and all.
Jews have lived in this land. They were given part of that land again after ww2 by a UN decision. Arabs that were living there were also given part.
Jews were willing to share their part of the land with the Arabs, as equal citizens
Jews accepted the offer, Arabs didn’t and declared war.
Everything since then just went downhill
Personally, I’m in favor of going back to the original resolution and have two countries. But if having sharing one country will end the conflict, then by all means…
Unfortunately both sides don’t have enough interest of solving this conflict…
Palestinians were unaware, and never agreed…
Of the UN partition plan ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#:~:text=Nations.[138]-,Arabs in Palestine,-Haj Amin al
Correct
Yes, a Jewish minority lived in Palestine with no problems as far as I know. But again, they where offered citizenship and a sovereign country. This is not something that should be offered by the rest of the world, or by a bunch of immigrants with a motive to create their own country specifically for themselves.
ANYTHING LESS THAN HOLOCAUST LEVEL MURDER ISN’T GENOCIDE!
-Israel bots
Yeah, how were the water resources in those lands? Were they capable of supporting the population being asked to depend on them.
I’ll save you the trip to the library. No, they weren’t.
Not agreeing to commit slow suicide doesn’t give the other side the right to murder you.
If you are talking about the water situation in Gaza prior to October 7th, I want to remind you that Gaza also borders with Egypt and any humanitarian crisis that is present in Gaza could be easily aided by Egypt, opening its borders and providing them all the water they need. They are their “brothers” after all.
In my opinion, Israel has the right to refuse aid to a place that constantly fires rockets at them. But Egypt, What is their excuse? Why are you not pointing your criticism towards them as well?
The sad thing is that Israel has developed advanced technology to shoot rockets in the air. This paradoxically has been a mistake as it normalizes firing rockets as long as the casualty numbers are very low.
Please, if you can, tell me of any other example of a country that will allow constant barraging rockets towards its land and still provide aid to their enemy?
Ah yes, Israel has the right to collective punishment 😍 not like, “sanctions” or something of a political caliber, nope, just straight out no food or water or meds or fuel so that children can die in their hospital beds from 100% preventable diseases.
Funny how it’s not Hamas that’s starving, just the other 2.3 million Gazans, of which about 1 million are children.
Can you explain to me how your views fit with the fact that Israel steals natural water resources from Gazans?
Same for the West Bank:
Read all about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in_the_State_of_Palestine
Israel has no right to deny food or water to a place that they control the borders too. Thankfully, this isn’t something that requires your opinion. Blockading another country is an act of war. Occupying forces are required to provide required food and water to populations they occupy. Something Israel has been doing for 17 years.
The Egypt thing is a BS racist side argument and you know it. It is used to justify illegal actions on the part of Israel, with the full knowledge that the Rafa crossing is controlled by both Egypt and Israel, and really it’s controlled by the US. The second the Egyptian government at the time opened the Rafa border crossing, there would immediately be another Egyptian government taking its place.
Israel is an Apartheid state, exactly like Apartheid South Africa. It is as evil as Apartheid South Africa was. Desmond Tutu, and other black people that suffered under Apartheid South Africa rule that have visited Gaza have stated that the Palestinians have it worse in the Gaza strip then they had it under apartheid rule in South Africa.
Finally, to your question trying to justify ethnic cleansing: EVERY OCCUPYING POWER SINCE WW2. Israel is treated differently than every other county in that it doesn’t have to abide by the same standards as anyone else. Stop trying to pretend that criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic. It isn’t. I’m not criticizing Egypt right now because they didn’t kill 8,000 children in two months. Come back with your “Why aren’t you critizing them” bullshit when they go free fire insane like Israel has.
Your wonderful country little democracy killed 8,000 children in 2 months. Stop trying to pretend that it is a reasonable country.
Firing rockets at another country on a regular basis is also an act of war
It’s an act of defense against an occupying power that slaughters them when they try unarmed peaceful resistance. Remember two years ago? I do.
I’m also done interacting with someone who continues to ignore the 8000 dead children in two months because they know that that is morally indefensible.
The situation with the Palestinians in Gaza is very tragic and sad. At no point did I ignore it. War is horrible and especially when Hamas embeds itself inside the civilian population, people get hurt and it’s very sad.
I think that you, however, are completely oblivious to the suffering on the other side. There are still little children held hostage in the tunnels under Gaza. Call it resistance, freedom fighting as much as you want. It’s no less tragic.
Even though Hamas started this round, the question of who started it is irrelevant. The relevant question is how does it end. No side is willing to make any compromise and I fear this will go on for years still.
War is horrible and especially when Israel embeds itself inside the civilian population, killing everyone and anyone, going into a hospital to shoot people or sniping doctors from outside, people get hurt and it’s very sad.
Hamas doesn’t embed itself. It IS the government. Everyone says Hamas and people think of the Hamas soldiers.
The health organizations that counted the dead while there still were hospitals? Hamas. However, that Hamas pencil pusher that has never picked up a gun will still have his apartment blown up because he is ‘Hamas’. It’s like complaining the DMV clerk is a marine because they’re both part of the American government.
And yes, war is terrible. It’s why after ww2 most of the nations agreed certain things were wrong and not allowed in war. You know, the things Israel is doing. The things that we’ve been blasting Russia for doing in Ukraine with words like ‘genocide’ and ‘war crimes’. Things like collective punishment, intentional targeting of civilian populations, using white phosphorus against civilians, intentionally starving civilians, intentionally depriving civilians under your control of water. These are all war crimes.
I’m not oblivious to the suffering. I have as much sympathy for them as I do for visitors to a slave plantation caught up in a slave uprising. Which is to say, some, but not too much. The blame should lay on the family that took their children to a plantation, knowing it was a plantation.
There is no moral standard that allows you to denounce Hamas, and yet praise the ANC during apartheid south Africa, or Nat Turners uprising, or John Brown at Harpers Ferry.
This is simple. It isn’t complex. You would have been on the side of apartheid south Africa because of the necklacing that the ANC did. You would have denounced the ickiness of John Browns attempts to stop slavery because he was just too violent. You would have denounced the Easter uprising, because it was too uncivil and the British were just there to civilize the Irish. I have no respect for people that justify apartheid or colonial oppression because the person struggling with a boot on their throat is too unseemly.
There is no compromise with someone standing on your throat. They need to remove their fucking foot before a discussion can even start.
This will go on for awhile, but Oct. 7th killed the myth of Israeli invincibility forever. The subsequent slaughter of civilians by the IDF, and all of the despicable lies about decapitated babies had killed Israels international reputation. Some things like Ethnic Cleansing are a bit too much to cover up.
P.S. the ADL spied on black anti apartheid activists in America for Israel on behalf of apartheid South Africa. It almost got the ADL banned in America. Israel was extremely friendly with Apartheid South Africa, even as most of the world was boycotting them, because Israel even then recognized that it was also an apartheid country. Oh, and South Africa let them test their nukes of the coastline.