Israel isn’t a real state, it’s a neoimperialist attack dog that occasionally forgets its leash. It’s theft and murder incarnate. If you really consider historical context to be important and still hold to a two-state solution as the ideal outcome, then I’m sorry, you’re lacking a great deal of historical context and haven’t the right to invoke it here.
Unfortunately the stain of religion has caused the fruition of needless casualties throughout the centuries. As the world becomes more atheistic over time due to the nature of scientic discovery, my hopes for change grow.
Broadly speaking, religion is not diminished by scientific discovery, it is diminished by people’s material needs being met and their prospects looking good. Our friend Marx called that one a long time ago, but modern studies on secularization say the same thing.
But Israel/Palestine is not about religion except as a smokescreen. It is about race, specifically an overwhelmingly white population of settler colonists creating and expanding an ethnostate. The aggrievement of the Palestinians is not that Jews exist, but that their homes were taken and their family members and friends were butchered like animals.
What they are correctly suggesting is that your thesis is ignoring Israel’s context as a settler-colony authored by Britain to enable what amounted to the mass-expulsion of Holocaust refugees from Europe to run an ethnostate in the Middle East that would act as an instrument for its interests.
The idea of religious conflict being the main element is completely absurd. A truly Jewish state would not forcibly sterilize Ethiopian Jews
Alright, I mean this in the kindest way possible, you have no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t have the time required nor the desire to rectify that, so I’ll simply say that you’ve spent a regrettable amount of time here embarrassing yourself in front of people who know substantially more about history and politics than you do. Trying to debate communists on those subjects at all is generally a bad idea, but to do so armed only with natsec PR and mystery statistics is something else.
I mean personally I support communism, but I have yet to see it implemented without authoritarian influence. The Native Americans have a pretty decent communal system, which the US should learn from.
I mean personally I support communism, but I have yet to see it implemented without authoritarian influence
Pretty rich coming from someone on the side of
Also you do realize why socialists and communists become “authoritarian” right? It’s at least partly to do with people like you who would have snitched to the Apartheid government and even attempted to kill them.
I wouldn’t equate socialism to communism in the context of authoritarianism. There’s plenty of democratic socialist countries that do just fine avoiding authoritarianism. Communism in theory is good, however human nature for greed, especially from those who espouse to be leaders, tends to get in the way of a just implementation.
Israel isn’t a real state, it’s a neoimperialist attack dog that occasionally forgets its leash. It’s theft and murder incarnate. If you really consider historical context to be important and still hold to a two-state solution as the ideal outcome, then I’m sorry, you’re lacking a great deal of historical context and haven’t the right to invoke it here.
Unfortunately the stain of religion has caused the fruition of needless casualties throughout the centuries. As the world becomes more atheistic over time due to the nature of scientic discovery, my hopes for change grow.
Broadly speaking, religion is not diminished by scientific discovery, it is diminished by people’s material needs being met and their prospects looking good. Our friend Marx called that one a long time ago, but modern studies on secularization say the same thing.
But Israel/Palestine is not about religion except as a smokescreen. It is about race, specifically an overwhelmingly white population of settler colonists creating and expanding an ethnostate. The aggrievement of the Palestinians is not that Jews exist, but that their homes were taken and their family members and friends were butchered like animals.
It is most definitely rooted in religious conflict and it’d be naive to think otherwise.
No, its rooted in Western colonialism, and it’s cope to think otherwise.
I’ve never said western colonialism hasn’t had it’s negative impacts, but this is grossly minimalizing historical context.
Other way around.
Care to elaborate? Your non-point responses are not encouraged in thoughtful debate, but youre welcome to do as you please.
You get what you give
What they are correctly suggesting is that your thesis is ignoring Israel’s context as a settler-colony authored by Britain to enable what amounted to the mass-expulsion of Holocaust refugees from Europe to run an ethnostate in the Middle East that would act as an instrument for its interests.
The idea of religious conflict being the main element is completely absurd. A truly Jewish state would not forcibly sterilize Ethiopian Jews
Alright, I mean this in the kindest way possible, you have no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t have the time required nor the desire to rectify that, so I’ll simply say that you’ve spent a regrettable amount of time here embarrassing yourself in front of people who know substantially more about history and politics than you do. Trying to debate communists on those subjects at all is generally a bad idea, but to do so armed only with natsec PR and mystery statistics is something else.
I mean personally I support communism, but I have yet to see it implemented without authoritarian influence. The Native Americans have a pretty decent communal system, which the US should learn from.
Pretty rich coming from someone on the side of
Also you do realize why socialists and communists become “authoritarian” right? It’s at least partly to do with people like you who would have snitched to the Apartheid government and even attempted to kill them.
I wouldn’t equate socialism to communism in the context of authoritarianism. There’s plenty of democratic socialist countries that do just fine avoiding authoritarianism. Communism in theory is good, however human nature for greed, especially from those who espouse to be leaders, tends to get in the way of a just implementation.