• Pratai@lemmy.ca
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    11 months ago

    This is how he needs to lose. A systemic refusal to allow a traitor to America to hold power.

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      11 months ago

      All we need is one defecting GOP SC justice to bar him from the entire country’s general election. Cross your fingers.

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      11 months ago

      I’m surprised that any president impeached in their first term is still allowed to run for any public office again. Being impeached for any reason should automatically disqualify you from running or holding ant public office.

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        11 months ago

        While I would agree under normal circumstances, that would just be abused in the current political atmosphere.

        Republicans are now already trying to impeach Biden for some made up reason while knowing it will never stick in the senate. Can you imagine how much more effort they’d spent in it if it would prevent Biden from running for reelection.

        Everything Trump has done should be enough to make him unelectable in the eyes of the voters, even if it doesn’t legally prevent him from running.

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        11 months ago

        Watch out, the threshold for impeachment is simply a majority of the House agreeing. A President can be impeached for any reason as long as the House votes on it. I wouldn’t put it past this Congress to impeach Biden simply for being too liberal. As in, their investigations go nowhere but they draft articles specifically saying he’s a Communist.

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      11 months ago

      I’m ok with that. I think Joe Biden better step up his game or we will get one of those other crazy Republicans. Last time we only voted for him because we were voting against trump and the others don’t have that same sway.

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      11 months ago

      Well shouldn’t the rule of law have a say? He hasn’t been convicted of anything that would bar him from office.

      He definitely should not be president but even he needs to face justice before states start arbitrarily banning him as a candidate.

      If more states bar him I have no doubt red states will start banning Democrat candidates and it will start an endless tit for tat chain of retribution. The only way it can be stopped is if he is convicted and then removed from ballot.

      • PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        The 14th amendment doesn’t require a conviction. It was written in the wake of the civil war to unilaterally prevent any confederates from holding office, without needing to convict each and every one of them. The entire purpose was to preempt the need for a conviction.

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        11 months ago

        The insurrection clause says NOTHING about a conviction. It was written so as to apply to virtually every confederate soldier and other supporters of the confederacy, without needing to drag each and every one of them before a judge.

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        If more states bar him I have no doubt red states will start banning Democrat candidates

        If those hypothetical democrats staged an insurrection against the United States in attempt to stay in office after they were voted out, I would support those red state’s bans.

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        11 months ago

        He’s a twice impeached convicted rapist. What more do you need to keep him off the ballot?

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          For that to disbar from the office.

          Fortunately, leading an insurrection does, and the post Civil War case law is very clear it doesn’t need a criminal conviction.

          This, btw, is common knowledge at this point, so if you see some idiot screeching about the “rule of law” just tell them this is the law.

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            11 months ago

            Sure, but we’re talking about a job application… I don’t think the difference matters there.

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            11 months ago

            He is a rapist. It would not matter to the GOP if he had been criminally convicted so your point is pretty moot.

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            11 months ago

            only if you consider the width of the hair your splitting to be a “huge difference”

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        Tell me you haven’t read the constitution without telling me you haven’t read the constitution…

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        11 months ago

        I have no doubt red states will start banning Democrat candidates

        They didn’t ban him because they didn’t like him. There’s a constitutional amendment that precludes him from being on the ballot.