Dave Chappelle has released a new Netflix special, The Dreamer, which is full of jokes about the trans community and disabled people.
“I love punching down!” he tells the audience, in a one-hour show that landed on the streaming service today (31 December).
It’s his seventh special for Netflix and comes two years after his last one, the highly controversial release The Closer.
That programme was criticised for its relentless jokes about the trans community, and Chappelle revisits the topic in his new show.
He tells jokes about trans women in prison, and about trans people “pretending” to be somebody they are not.
It’s a demonstration by metaphor of how your argument is dishonest horseshit.
As explained twice now.
Do you actually give a shit about what words mean, or are you just clinging to something you can bitch about as if that makes your original jibe less stupid? Because again - you know what a protected group is. You introduced the concept, in this exchange. You can figure out how backlash for attacking a protected group does not magically imply they they are ‘above you.’
It still makes your counter argument a straw man argument. Your anger about it won’t change that fact.
If you read closely you’ll see I made the claim that protected groups are not below you. There’s a slight but important difference to your straw man where you said that a puppy is above you.
Vulgarity is not anger. But since you are evidently just clinging to things you can bitch about, why not project emotion alongside it. Let me know if that helps.
You’re lying, by the way - you made no such claim. It is neither explicit nor implicit. It exists between your ears. And it’s bullshit.
Protected groups are obviously not “above you.” The poor, the sick, the dying - they are not your masters or whatever. They’re vulnerable.
Attacking vulnerable groups makes you an asshole.
I’ll just quote myself and you can point to where I’m lieing about my claim. Your anger is clouding your judgement and you are having trouble with reading comprehension.
No where have I mentioned protected groups being above you.
Now a question for you do you think trans people are so weak and vulnerable that they can’t handle a joke?
Ah, mea culpa. In that case it’s only totally irrelevant. Vulnerability is not an insult - obvious trolling hypocrite. It is not some failure of character to be poor or trans or a literal puppy. But these groups still face obstacles you will not, and they don’t need dishonest abuse paraded as mere criticism.
Bigotry with a punchline is still bigotry. Saying so is not the attack. The bigotry is the attack. This sneering gotcha horseshit of ‘are you saying they can’t handle me being an asshole toward them?’ doesn’t make anyone else an asshole.
Do I get an apology for calling me a liar?
Do you consider all jokes bigotry or just ones of protected classes?
Do you consider trans people below you?
No, you’re still defending outright bigotry.
By (for example) pretending that being rude toward vulnerable minorities for being vulnerable minorities isn’t bigotry, unless being rude to people is always bigotry.
I consider trans people more vulnerable than me. Which is what makes shitting on someone for being trans “punching down.” It’s not a hierarchy where I get to wear a crown and shit on them because they are lesser. That act, treating them as lesser, is what shitting on them means. People are telling Dave to stop fucking doing that. You are defending when he does that… for some reason.
For someone allegedly insisting it’s not about putting them “above you” or “below you,” you sure are fixated on that specific ranking system.
Do you have a distinction for making fun of a person for who they are and making fun a vulnerable person for who they are?
Yeah, it’s the vulnerability.
That’s not a trick question. You nailed it. The difference in conclusions is the difference in premises.
Making fun of someone wealthy for being wealthy is fundamentally different from making fun of some trans for being trans, because being a queer minority is a vulnerability, and being rich as fuck super duper isn’t.
And even that is accepting “wealthy” as some essentialist property of who someone is, rather than an obscene advantage they happen to own.