• emizeko [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      72·
      10 months ago

      China didn’t start developing until years after Mao left office

      during Mao’s tenure China’s life expectancy DOUBLED and from 1952-1978 there was 6.2% annnual growth. just chauvinist fantasies from this asshole

      • Beaver [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        44·
        10 months ago

        One of the biggest moments for me or realizing how propagandized westerners are is when I discovered how much improvement happened in the USSR and China under the “bad” leaders. These facts are not in dispute or being surpressed, but the western public is being effectively kept ignorant of them.

          • KobaCumTribute [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
            4·
            10 months ago

            fascists and excusing their crimes because ‘they made the trains run on time’

            The dumbest part of that is that Mussolini’s policies “made the trains run on time” by placing enormous pressures on the rail workers and eschewing maintenance and safe operating procedures, causing some marginal increase in normal punctuality at the cost of massively increasing deadly accidents and shutdowns from trains derailing.

        • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          28·
          10 months ago

          These facts are not in dispute or being surpressed

          Well, liberal economists are still way too negative on Mao because they have no way to account for collective ownership, or in any case choose to account for it inadequately.

  • oktherebuddy [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    45·
    10 months ago

    beyond everything I just have no idea where people get this stuff. like clearly they never got it from an actual book, there’s no actual mapping to real events good or bad. this is what happens when you learn 20th century history from reddit threads

    • ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
      41·
      10 months ago

      It’s a vague mishmash of half remembered facts linked together by “logical inferences” (making shit up).

      Failure of the 4 pests campaign = dabbling and experimentation. Deaths during cultural revolution = millions of deaths (it’s communism so it’s always millions of deaths). Pol Pot killed the intelligencia, but they’re too racist to remember who all these foreigners are, so they feel safe attributing it to Mao. There was a famine, so it was probably caused by industrialisation (they don’t actually know what the 4 pests campaign was, so don’t know it caused the famine).

    • emizeko [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      40·
      10 months ago

      It’s always funny to me when Westerners can’t even conceive of why anyone would support the Chinese government. Imagine being a middle-aged Chinese person who watched all this happen. Within living memory, you went from the tail end of the century of humiliation, emerging from under the heel of Western hegemony, and now you’re a world superpower of unprecedented independence from that hegemony. For the first time in the history of the colonial world, a country of the oppressed has risen up by its own power to challenge the oppressors that have spent the past 400 years immiserating every non-white country on earth. They went from ox carts to high speed rail in one lifetime. From colonial humiliation, to unprecedented pride and dignity for the first counterhegemonic force outside the West in the history of capitalism. They can look around themselves and see several examples of countries like India and Myanmar that didn’t choose communism, couldn’t challenge the West, didn’t have a cultural revolution (it was a mixed bag of very good and very bad) and they can see, clear as day, where their path led them vs the path the West would have preferred for them. Vassalage. Poverty. Exploitation. Rural idiocy, as Lenin put it. The path the West still wants to put them back on.

      —u/Gravelord-_Nito

    • LeninsBeard [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      34·
      10 months ago

      All you have to do is look at a graph of any quality of life indicator in China to disprove this. Like every single one is just stonks-up after 1949

  • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    43·
    10 months ago

    “I can’t conceive the land not belonging to anyone”

    Really? Why? It’s not an object you can carry with you, it’s not something created, to preceded us all by billions of years and will be there when we are gone, typically only with superficial differences. How can it even be property beyond being defined that way by some laws, let alone ontologically need to be property?

    The rest is shit too, but come the fuck on. At least with Mao it hinges on history he is disconnected from. On the question of land, he has had his entire life interacting with it in various ways and he can’t even imagine an exception to this axiom of ownership.

    • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      22·
      10 months ago

      A lot of anti-Aboriginal, anti-decolonisation propaganda in this country fearmongers about those people coming and stealing your home from you. Not in a vague sense, in a very direct “An Aboriginal family will be allowed to kick you out of your house and steal it from you if we acknowledge that the land was stolen.”

  • Amerikan Pharaoh@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    43·
    10 months ago

    For a second I was expecting an Aussiemandeus post lmfao

    Anyway, White Australia and all of its crackers who parasitize the landmass and ostracize the land’s indigenous deserve to be torn down and made permanent second-class citizens until they regrow a sense of humanity and cast aside their arrogantly nigh-deific entitlements. You do not own that land, you committed a genocide and occupied it. You are SETTLER SCUM, and do not deserve to have your humanity acknowledged after that fact.

  • Dolores [love/loves]@hexbear.netEnglish
    33·
    10 months ago

    so you’re saying your anglo granpappy that got a shallow grave in korea was put there by a starving, uneducated, undeveloped China? sounds like a skill issue