• kronisk @lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    An important detail to notice here is that a user calling themselves kusimulkku is likely to be writing this from Finland. Which may result in an important difference of perspective.

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      10 months ago

      Finland is correct. Though I have no idea what sort of situation those other people assumed to warrant such a claim.

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        10 months ago

        There is the danger of manufacturing consent.

        https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/spotlight-primary-source/remember-maine-1898

        Raising tensions then using an incident to light the touch paper.

        Russian’s at the border is one thing.

        But the most likely “attack” on the US is going to be much smaller.

        Note the Houthis attacking merchant ships. Under a US flag.

        There are 2 options

        1. retaliate.

        or

        1. tell the ships to go round and use sanctions and other non violent diplomatic tools to resolve the situation.

        Option 1 is an escalation.

        Option 2 is not.

        The US military is is an odd position. I’d defend Ukraine from Russia. I’d defend Palestine from Israel. I’d defend Israel from Palestine.

        I wouldn’t support an aggressor.

        There is a moral obligation to support violence in that it must be a necessary defence.

        Joining the US military we’ve grown up seeing the US as an aggressor continuously. Supporting aggressors, not sanctioning them.

        Then with Ukraine there is reluctance to help a defender.

        A country that invaded nations at the drop of a hat 20 years ago has a recruitment problem. No surprises there.

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          10 months ago

          If Russian troops are crossing the border then it’s Russians who have manufactured the consent for violent action to drive them the fuck away.

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            10 months ago

            I agree, but if that’s the way the US, or any other NATO country, gets attacked I’ll be surprised.

            This is not the war that is proposed, it’s a series of proxy wars. Just like Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and the decades long conflict with Palestine.

            Ask if you’ll defend yourself, you’ll say yes.

            Ask if you’ll defend others, the answer is usually “it depends”.

            Ask if you’ll go fight in a proxy war which protects largely corporate interests, you’ll say no.

            Joining the American military is saying yes to all 3. That’s the recruitment issue going on there.

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              10 months ago

              Well the whole point of NATO is that hopefully Russia wouldn’t dare. Let’s hope they’ll not as fucking dumb and insane as they at times seem. But in any case, it was just a hypothetical. If Russia attacks here, I’d definitely fight in the WW3.

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                10 months ago

                If there ever is a WW3 that can’t be dealt with diplomatically, MAD is the result.

                Not worth fighting, better to run and hide as the missiles fly.

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                  10 months ago

                  Not necessarily. It could be like chemical weapons and WW2. Everyone had them nobody wanted to start using them. But in any case, I just offered a scenario where I’d be fighting. It’s not necessarily the most likely one.

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        If Russia attacks the US, our government would try to use that as a recruitment tool, and would probably succeed.

        Meanwhile the majority of us would be cheering on the Alaskan citizens that are armed for wildlife that would stop a T-70 in its tracks, to say nothing of the poor Russian conscripts.

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            10 months ago

            You need to be clearer about what point you’re trying to make or the reader has to choose for you. What I’m getting is

            Finnish Great Grandpa did some bad shit, so whatever Russia is doing now is ok

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              The current elections in Finland are advancing a large number of far-right ethno-nationalist party leaders. Even the relationship between the Finns and Ukrainians is strained as a result. Case in point Finland refusing to extradite a Russian neo-Nazi terrorist to the Ukraine.

              The strain of Finnish white nationalism that’s been cultivated in the country for the last twenty years isn’t strictly anti-Russian. It is far more centered around Finnish ethnic supremacy and the need to reassert itself as a regional power.