This is the same kind of language employed by far right assholes everywhere.
“If you don’t like it, go back to $countryTheyAssumeYouCameFrom”, yup. Just a further blurring of the lines between blue and red. By 2032, it’ll just be varying shades of purple, and most of them will be angled toward the fuchsia end.
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It wasn’t a “zinger”, I was drawing an equivalence between this lady’s “go back to China” rhetoric and the language of the far right where anyone who doesn’t toe the line is accused of being a foreign agent.
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The absolute disregard for Palestinian lives.
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Westerners really are incapable of criticising their own countries without going “but I can only assume everyone else is just as bad!”
Lol, I’m not American. I’m just pointing out the comment from pelosi doesn’t make sense. It adds to the reasons why it might be fake news.
Attributing a comment like that to her works against her in 2 ways. It alienates those americans who would otherwise support Democrats as she appears to be supporting genocide and being racist, out of context.
It also links China to the Democrats for those on the other side, who aren’t watching carefully for nuance.
It’s not a case of countries good or bad, it’s a case of understanding their motives.
Lol, I’m not American. I’m just pointing out the comment from pelosi doesn’t make sense. It adds to the reasons why it might be fake news.
Tom Cotton grilling a Singaporean about whether he’s a member of the CCP doesn’t make sense either; are you saying that’s fake news too? Racists aren’t rational.
it’s a case of understanding their motives.
Well your understanding is bad, given you assumed China is pro-Palestinian genocide because they don’t recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation, and you assumed they support the invasion of Ukraine just because they’ve remained neutral on it.
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So I guess genocide is an American value, and if you oppose genocide then you’re unamerican.
Just another data point indicating that I have never actually been American, and I should have no loyalty to it.
As an indigenous person, duh.
You just have to look at US history to know that we’re pro genocide. Hell, we were doing it just a few years ago to asylum seekers.
Doing it a few years ago? The camps are still open…
So I guess genocide is an American value, and if you oppose genocide then you’re unamerican.
Settlers built this country off inordinate amounts of slavery and genocide; this has always been the score. Why do you think they’re so gung-ho, brook-no-dissent about genociding Palestine? Israelis are just Junior Americans at this point.
That’s what I’ve been telling people who say “I won’t vote for someone who supports genocide:” This is America. All our politicians support genocide. That and “more jobs” are the only things both parties agree on.
If you want to vote for someone who isn’t pro-genocide you’re gonna have to move, or get used to never, ever, ever getting what you want.
Yes, it sucks. But there’s literally nothing we can do about it unless you want to get a degree in physics and build a time machine and sink Columbus’s boat before he sights land.
I just write-in at this point, every single time. As many members of the Wu-Tang Clan as I can remember for however many slots there are. Because I staunchly am a “no genocide” voter-- and there’s nothing that brings me more pleasure come election season anymore than cheesing in the mugs of every settler liberal, elephant-red or ass-blue, who thought they could cudgel a pencil-whip for their mass murderer of choice out of me.
Might transition to writing in Dipset members though.
That and “more jobs” are the only things both parties agree on.
They only agree on that in public, while in private (with a few exceptions) they are fine with the Federal Reserve raising interest rates to induce layoffs to ensure workers are too scared of losing their jobs to demand raises.
I served in the Army and I think this country is a festering shithole of privilege and corruption. I don’t stand for the stupid national anthem, ever.
I stand, but I sing The Internationale instead.
How convenient for dem leadership that anyone who disagrees with them is actually a foreign agent.
So there’s articles now about her calling them both Chinese and Russian agents for protesting. Nice job, grandma.
Then she doubles back and said she’s actually calling for a cease fire too…
But what she’s really asking for is a complete surrender of Gaza.
Like when idiots say the invasion of Ukraine needs to end, so Ukraine needs to surrender.
If your call for a cease fire is the victim to surrender to the aggressor, that’s not a cease fire, it’s you being on the bad guys side.
Might have something to do with this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/technology/israel-hamas-information-war.html
In case of paywall:
What she said isn’t as absurd as it seems.
Is the article you linked implying that criticism of Israel is just anti-American propaganda? That the people criticizing Israel just don’t know what they’re talking about?
The article you linked is an article from early November 2023. This article from NPR, published on the same day as the NYT article you linked, talks about Israel invading North Gaza with a force too small to occupy the city. The authors wonder how such a small ground force could be used to hold and control the city.
As it turns out, the IDF had no plans of holding it. They planned to erase it.
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Literally in the Israeli Times article you linked:
We are both killing the terrorists who participated and killing the terrorists who will want to commit terror in the future,” Halevi told troops and commanders of the 5th Reserve Brigade
This is some Minority Report shit. Israel must have some psychics in their “Precrime” Police devision.
Like, are we all too desensitized to the insane shit being said that this is somehow normal and ok to just be published without comment in a newspaper?
The Dems and Dem-aligned corporate media have spent the last eight years pushing Russiagate conspiracy theories, and now they’re expanding BlueAnon to include China because the US is itching to ramp up Cold War II.
People seem to be mad about what you’ve said based on the votes, but you’re right. Russiagate in 2016 was a nothingburger and democrats have been riding it for the past 8 years: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/09/russian-trolls-twitter-had-little-influence-2016-voters/
Wait, are you denying Russian and Chinese interference?
Shh. Don’t bring up the reason why she said what she did ( although not very well ). That would make this thread sound a tad bit … misleading.
Yeah, the only reason anyone would be against the senseless murder of civilians is if they’ve been duped by foreign propaganda.
Because Americans can’t possibly have a problem with genocide, because genocide is what made this country great.
Sure, we all agree that’s not the case. But boiling down a giant discussion that has many layers and important points is short sided and over simplified. The new American way.
Btw, it’s kinda hilarious when people run through your history and downvote everything you posted. Who the fuck cares about internet points that much. Wow. Not saying you did, but it’s weird how no one wants to let anyone have a discussion.
Ugh, I get that sometimes, too. So petty and childish. Especially on the fediverse where you don’t automtically upvote your own post.
This you?
This happened more than five minutes ago so she forgot. Consequences of having an entire government filled with dementia ridden corpses. What can you do?🤷♀️
100% against the genocide in Palestine and think our representatives should be doing everything they can to stop supporting it but this video is clearly edited. Pelosi’s mouth is moving basically the whole video yet you can hear absolutely nothing from her except the very end when she gets into the suv. You can very faintly hear the “go back to China” line. However if you look at her mouth it’s not matching up with it at all. Someone clearly dubbed audio over video to make it sound like something it wasn’t.
So she’s not just an asshole, but bad at geography too. Got it.
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Kinda like you’re unable to recognize fake dubs.
If she stays in much longer, she’ll be the Democrats’ Mitch McTurdle.
Is there any indication that this desperate ploy to reframe any criticism of Israel’s genocide in Gaza or recognition of innocent Palestinians’ basic humanity and rights as purely foreign propaganda is working at all? It’s absolutely craven
I guess liberals cannot be upset that people against the genocide didn’t vote for them. They are all Chinese according to them.
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Based anti-imperalist, class traitor Neville Roy Singham is based.
I remember that garbage NYT hit piece from last year. Global North corporate media gotta push the new cold war. Before that article it was secret Chinese police stations in NYC, and before that it was Chinese spy balloons. Burgerlanders will believe anything.
Your claim is that China is supporting… A grassroots feminist movement? Abortion? Palestine?
The horror.
I don’t think this post should have been removed. I wanted to see arguments and rebuttals being made.
You can still see it in the modlog, but generally it’s not a good idea to roll in the mud. Your mental health is worth far more than that.
What do you mean the video is fake? Is it CGI? Actors?
How do these guys fuck up sitters every day. I’m not a yank but you fucks export all your rhetoric and issues anyway so can you get your shit together please.
This old bag of bones needs to fuck off, get out and vote for Christ’s sake.
I’m voting twice this year
I’m a bit confused by this:
“For [the pro-Palestinian protesters] to call for a cease-fire is Mr. Putin’s message, Mr. Putin’s message. Make no mistake, this is directly connected to what he would like to see.
Let’s just put aside the fact that asking for a ceasefire for most people is a humanitarian request. You don’t need to have picked a side to accept that the ordinary people need some kind of help getting to safety (or relative safety). I’m not commenting on that here though.
It may be that I’m missing something obvious, in which case fine. But, how does a cease-fire in Gaza benefit Putin? I would say that any instability elsewhere in the world (Gaza, Houthi rebels, the Iran Pakistan thing the other week) work entirely in his favour. While the west (and some of the rest of the world) need to move to stabilise problems aside from the war in Ukraine, they have less time, resources to spend checking up on his activities in Ukraine. The media time is split away from what’s happening over there and of course, military budget is redirected away from arms for Ukraine, to operations in these other regions and arms for Israel.
I must be missing something, right?
But, how does a cease-fire in Gaza benefit Putin?
It doesn’t. A ceasefire in Gaza means the US wouldn’t need to send ammunitions to Israel to massacre Palestinians, freeing more supplies to be sent to Ukraine to fight Russia.
The conflict continuing and spreading across the region and getting the US stuck in the Middle East distracting it from Ukraine though, does help Putin. So, this leaves us with a logical conclusion, Pelosi is either a Russian-asset or just relishes in genociding Palestinians.
However, Israel is buying ammunition (at least with an IOU), whereas Ukraine is just receiving charity. From that perspective, it’s easy to see why politicians are more willing to support Israel than Ukraine.
If it turns out in a few years time that Russia leant on Iran to lean on various Middle East actors to stir up trouble at that exact point to distract from Ukraine, you can colour me unsurprised.
Because Zionist usurpers don’t give Palestinians enough reasons to resist? I’m not even Palestinians and I wish I could fight.
I fuckin wish China was where I came from. I am literally so ashamed of, so vehemently, hatefully disgusted by the nation I was born into, a nation in which white settler ghouls have indicated they’re going to keep their foot on the entirety of my race’s collective neck (thanks Joe, will never forgive you for Cop City or for RICO charging the protestors against it), that I wish they’d deport me to China.
It’d save me about ten, fifteen grand in travel costs, I’d probably find better work, better living conditions, and most importantly, a sense of belonging that I haven’t had since some old settler hag decided she wanted to call cops on me for going for a fuckin walk. I fuckin wish. In fact, I pray the Anglo settlers try to start a war they couldn’t possibly keep the materiel up for. I’d defect in a New York minute.
that I wish they’d deport me to China.
What do you think the Han people are doing in China?
I’d probably find better work, better living conditions, and most importantly, a sense of belonging
What on Earth are you on about? Do you have any idea about what life in China is like?
Especially now after that evergrand incident… I suspect some big thing happening in China very soon… maybe it’s better after, maybe not 🤷🏻♀️ but in any case, many good people will lose their live there as well 🙃 that I’m sure
To paraphrase something I read a long time ago: “A minor skirmish happened in a rural province in China. 15 million died.”
Look I get that the US is bad (especially if you’re a minority) but coming from someone from an authoritarian country you should be glad you were born in a democracy. The difference is light and day.
Someone needs to pick up a Chinese history book…
Ah, a kbin poster. I can safely assume hazardous, nigh-fatally toxic chauvinism and insufferable settlerism out of you, can’t I? Dollars to donuts says what you refer to as a “chinese history book” is really just what your masters tell you; and I have no interest in your skewed perspective.
As long as I have to hear about Black folk getting slabbed out by pigs, as long as I have to hear about protestors against the regime getting locked up on federal racketeering charges (and then carcerally enslaved after the fact), as long as I have to hear about how ‘this is the best place for people like me’ when the settlers are trying to put civil rights in front of the same firing squad that erected concentration camps for migrants on the southern border while putting Roe v. Wade and affirmative action to death (and the guy we were told would stop that has thoroughly reneged on any promises he made), anywhere is better than here; especially the people you try to convince me are enemies.
Why are there so many kbin fascists anyway? There doesn’t seem to be anything overtly wrong with the instance itself. Is it a size thing?
Liberal moderation doesn’t purge fascists until they have a counterweight to dispense with to maintain the image of ‘even-handed, adults-in-the-room centrism’. It’s not just reddit’s playbook. Hell, it’s happened in this thread already.
Ah, it’s always liberalism isn’t it. Man I can’t wait until that shit’s in the anals of history where it fucking belongs.
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The US uses slave labor, too. The prison population that they fill with an inordinate amount of minorities, but it turns into the same thing.
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Least ableist sinophobe
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Check it out, identity politics. I’m sure your point is valid and backed by reason /s
You know you don’t have to pledge allegiance to any country, right? That they’re all made up? You can be against the US and China. It’s not hard.
I don’t have a reason to be against China in the first place. If it was good enough for Bobby Seale, if it was good enough for the Panthers, it’s good enough for me. Better the devil I don’t know, than the one that I know will kill me and then tell the world I deserved it if given a half a chance.
Besides, I’d like to see how much it’s “all made up” if I just stopped paying taxes to the government who owns the land my house is on because I dissent from all war they wage; if I just stopped obeying the entirety of white-American law because my people are neither liberated nor properly represented. I bet my left eye that’s the day I get shot up by the feds.
I’d love to see how “made up” it is when I will be put to the gun on any landmass that I simply try to erect a home of my own on without having one of their shitty little pieces of paper that claim I ‘own’ the land. That all these apparently-made-up states ‘own’. You’re real safe saying “it’s all made up” when you never have to think about the logistics of living “it’s all made up”, swear to god.
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Your reasons are shit; and without presented evidence, aren’t worth the electrons you inconvenienced to send this western chauvinist message. No investigation, no right to speech.
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Is this the same China that recently lifted over 800 million people out of extreme poverty? Please, enlighten us with your China expertise.
While there has been real progress, I wouldn’t trust any numbers released by the Chinese government as far as I can throw them.
Maybe you can borrow the history book when they’re done with it.
