Obviously I can understand why mysoginists are hated upon, As their belief is all women are trash or men are superior etc. But why are incels also generally hated upon? They are lacking in a way that makes them unable to gey in a relationship, but that shouldn’t necessarily mean they are mysoginists, right?

What am I missing here? I haven’t ever had a relationship with a woman, but I don’t hate all women either. I just consider myself unlucky. Does that make me an incel?

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    I know plenty of people who make this same argument for why whites can’t trust blacks. Those people are called racists. People who make the argument you’re making are called sexists.

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      No you don’t. Because there isn’t a preponderance of evidence than black people are less trustworthy than non-POC.

      Just because an argument sounds similar does not make it the same.

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        there isn’t a preponderance of evidence than black people are more less trustworthy than non-POC.

        That is true, but is not a universally held belief. Many strongly feel that black people are inherently dangerous and untrustworthy. Others feel the same about Muslims. Or Chinese. Or Russians. Or Jewish people. Or Gypsies.

        People who feel that way about those groups are called bigots. You feel that way about men which means you are also a bigot. Not a difficult analysis.

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            What do FBI crime stats say about Black Americans?

            Statistics are easily misconstrued, and often are

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          We aren’t talking belief here. What I am saying is based off of empirical evidence.

          Why are you being so unapologetically obtuse?

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            You can use FBI crime statistics to make “empirical” arguments about black Americans. Yet I think we both recognize that would be fallacious

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              I’m gonna ask you again, why are you being unapologetically obtuse?

              If you want to challenge the data I’m citing, do it rather than refusing to engage in good faith.

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                It isn’t obtuse to state with moral clarity that it is always wrong to treat someone differently on the basis of their sex

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                  When there’s a preponderance of empirical evidence that a certain group of people poses a larger risk to another group of people, it validates the decision to approach them with caution.

                  You’re arguing that women should just ignore the reality that they are likely to be assaulted (remember, 81%) and that the people most likely to assault them are men. It is reasonable and right for women to exercise caution and clarity when engaging with men for that reason. This isn’t hard, it requires a person to be willfully ignorant to disagree with it. Get your feelings out of this matter and look at the reality we live in.

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                    When there’s a preponderance of empirical evidence that a certain group of people poses a larger risk to another group of people, it validates the decision to approach them with caution.

                    Literally Nazi rationale for 1930s Germany. Or White Americans justification for segregation. Or Israeli justification for genocide against Palestinians

                    People are people. Immutable traits have no influence on how anyone should ever be treated

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      ^false equivalency. Sexists hate men (or women) on principle. That’s not what this concept is. You’d know that if you paid attention just a little bit

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        Treating someone negatively or positively on the basis of their sex is sexism.

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          Applying a loose definition to a situation to fit your politics is dishonest

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            Treating someone differently on the basis of sex is sexism. Treating someone differently on the basis of race is racism. This isn’t hard

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              Hey bro, care to have another pointless argument over on https://lemmy.world/post/12636728 about the exact situation this pointless argument was about?

              Because guess what, the parent comment of this whole thread actually played out, went badly, and now it’s national news.