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      To sell the car, you must meet some minimum safety requirements. Car manufacturers usually demonstrate safety to the government by doing their own internal crash testing. That data is not necessarily publicly released.

      The safety ratings you are probably familiar with come from two organisations: The NHTSA and the IIHS perform independent crash testing without support from the manufacturer. Due to budgetary constraints, they don’t necessarily test every single model. The cybertruck is quite low volume at the moment and so testing it provides low value to the public. This is not unique to the cybertruck. Other vehicles which are not tested include all Land Rover, Porsche, and Jaguar models.

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          You’re fucking right, I honestly thought all cars even in the US couldn’t be sold without getting tested by NHTSA (national highway traffic safety administration), only to find that automakers themselves are allowed to test??

          So much conflict of interest. I saw my first cybertronic dumpster the other day, it really is that pointy, and I really would not want to interact with it as a pedestrian at any velocity.

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          Is their an independent crash test in Germany for Porsche etc? Maybe they will test the Cyber truck.

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            Considering the Cybertruck probably won’t ever be street legal in Europe, I don’t think they’ll bother.

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              Yep, no way this monstrosity will ever be allowed on German streets. The TÜV (Technical Inspection Association) is pretty strict in that regard.

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        It may be more accurate to say independently crash tested. Manufacturer ones may not be released to the public nor useful to the public, but a manufacturer would be stupid to not do at least some. They could get some really expensive surprises when actual customers have accidents.

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              You have to realize that semi trucks are built different. Think of it closer to a bulldozer than a pickup. It’s not designed to crumple into origami to absorb the force of impact. It’s a heavy industrial piece of equipment that’s designed to haul assloads of product with 3 or 4 assloads of horsepower. It’d be pointless to subject such vehicles to the same or even similar tests.

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                You’d still think of verifying energy mitigation/redirection for impact into other vehicles, no?

                Like it should be required that there’s something to keep a car from going under a trailer’s wheels if they merge into the side of a truck. How do you verify that’s working properly?

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                  Nah lmao. Big truck pull hard no stop. As long as it does all those things, fuck everything else

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            I don’t know if heavy trucks are exempt (which may explain why the DOT regulates drivers and their schedules more strictly) but I do know the Cybertruck is not a heavy truck. It’s a light truck which has similar rules to passenger cars.

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    I didn’t realize that NHSF crash tests were even optional for mass produced cars.

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      It’s mainly to get a nice little graphic to put into your marketing materials. Elon knows that the type of sucker who buys his products doesn’t look past the shiny design.

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      What’s the NHSF? You said it like it’s a well known organization or something. lol

      That said, did you think there was a minimum safety rating cars had to achieve or something? That would pretty sweet and something we should totally have. I absolutely love safety regulations!

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        There are lots of safety regulations manufacturers must comply with even if their vehicle is not independently tested.

        I think this aligned with the greater frequency of lawsuits in the US. Sometimes it’s more cost effective to enforce regulations by lawsuit than to hire inspections/audits/testing. I’m not agreeing with them at prioritizing, just describing

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      People love shitting on autonomous driving and I agree that it isn’t ready yet which is why the driver is supposed to still be paying attention, but I think people are way worse and are more likely to cause an accident.

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        I think it varies. A trained human who is paying attention is better than the self driving script (for now?), but sometimes the human driver is drunk, busy texting, or someone whose idea of training was “I’ve ridden in cars before, how hard can it be?”

        It’s not hard to outperform those cases, but “better than Drunkotron” isn’t enough to roll out self driving everywhere.

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    Dude, people with money are so fucking boring.

    Bezos could easily buy 100 of these things (yes I know he can buy an infinite amount) and crash test them himself and put out the stats.

    And he’d make money from it as well

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    Who’s excited to see what a vehicle without crumple zones does to a regular car at 60+ mph? Smart money is on at least one person being split completely in half, but the hail mary returns on “no fatalities” is really tempting.

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      Look, maybe some by crazy chance, it’s super safe for occupants. However, I think the cars it hit will be sheared a good ways through.

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        And this is precisely why many people I know want SUVs. Compact cars are simply not safe anymore in much of the United States. I drive a hatchback in Texas and have to pay more attention driving here than anywhere else I’ve lived. The many lifted pickup trucks simply can not see anything other than SUVs, and that ignores the crash testing problems which need to be updated to better reasonable modern roads largely filled with SUVs and pickup trucks.

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      Cars move, meaning its reasonably safer to crash into (or against) another car.

      Its concrete walls and trees that you have to worry about. Those things will murder you. Medians, dividers, buildings, trees, power lines, etc. etc. If you don’t have crumple zones, you’re dead.

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      Why pay a crash test team and fund all of that research when tech bros will test it for you! Good luck everyone else!

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      There’s a number if reasons why it won’t.

      • too heavy. It requires a C1 license, which is basically what you need to drive a full-size truck, which very few people have.

      • too pointy. Safety requirements require all protruding parts to have something like a 4mm rounding, but the dumpstertruck simply has bare, unrounded steel plates.

      • basically nobody drives a pick up, because they’re a stupid way to do anything.

      • Europe mandates a CCS2 connector, which isn’t even an option on the Tesla truck right now.

      And of course, Europe DOES mandate crash testing, which it will never pass. It also requires pedestratian safety, which it will also never pass.

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        • basically nobody drives a pick up, because they’re a stupid way to do anything.

        Yes but they are unfortunately becoming more common

        • Europe mandates a CCS2 connector, which isn’t even an option on the Tesla truck right now.

        True, but that’s irrelevant since Tesla models have the CCS2 connector. Having to switch the connector is not a problem for them.

        Obligatory: Yes the car, Tesla, Elon is bad.

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        I mean it positively - I see more and more of these American “compensatiors” on roads.

        As a cyclist it is worrying and I know few people who use “trucks” for work and noons of them would consider anything bigger than Hylux.

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    That gif at the beginning of the article clearly showcases the lack of crumple zones. The impact energy doesn’t dissipate and you can see the crash test dummies lurch forward with a good amount of whiplash at 35 mph (56 km/h).

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      An internal, unreported test by Tesla. That strangely cuts out before the impact and has no statistics or discussion about it’s crash capabilities.