I understand that modern outer layers are more functional. A leather jacket, for example, can be dressed up or down so as to be worn in a variety of situations. It is also better at keeping you warm.

However, I think capes/cloaks are more aesthetically pleasing garments. It also feels good to have the fabric flowing around you as you walk. But what do you think?

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    In all seriousness, they were a uniquely Roman-area thing

    Capes and cloaks were a thing as recently as a couple hundred years ago.

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      I mean Roman-area as in their part of the world, not as in the time period (Roman-era). Capes began with the Greeks and crossed over to the Romans and Byzantines but it would seem never picked up in non-European cultures, and became a lot less common when the two Romes dissolved into a sum of their member states. Joan of Arc didn’t even wear a cape, a missed opportunity.

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        You can just say “Europe”. Nobody calls it “Roman area”. Plus it’s clearer and more accurate. European fashion trends permeated beyond the historical borders of Rome in some parts of Europe, and yet didn’t take off as much in historically Roman parts of the Middle East and North Africa.

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          I say “Roman area” because it was a Greek/Roman trend before anything else, it was a reference to that. It may have permeated but it never “picked up”. It’s like saying because there’s that one Inuit person wearing an Aztec poncho, it must mean we can say ponchos were a widely encroaching phenomenon.

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            Ok, but cloaks were a thing in various parts of Europe a couple hundred years ago, so I’m not sure what your point is.

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          America was still culturally considered an extension of Europe at the time. After independence, capes waned.

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            "became a lot less common when the two Romes dissolved into a sum of their member states. "

            What’s your timeline because capes were popular into the 1800’s in America which was 600 years after the fall of Constantinople.

            1899 Statue of Ulysses Grant with a cape draped over his arm.

            https://www.aoc.gov/explore-capitol-campus/art/ulysses-s-grant-statue

            Another poster in this thread explained the real reasons. Weather determined it’s utility which explains why no Roman capes in ancient Roman controlled Turkey/Israel/Egypt. Capes predate ancient Greece by thousands of years. https://www.iceman.it/en/clothing/ Modern textile manufacturing made it obsolete in northern wet countries.

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              There is a difference between saying something decreased, saying something is gone, and saying something is ubiquitous or not. Whenever I say they go against the grain in a certain setting, people keep pointing to famous examples of them, as if it’s automatically a sign they don’t go against the grain. The Greeks and Romans made it standard wear for every officer, which is partially opposed to people post-Rome who lived in the area of Rome and much more as opposed to a place which might have individuals wearing them but where this would be spontaneous and not reflect expectations. Nobody in China, India, even America is going to ask “where is your cape” to someone. Something showing up does not make it expected.