• ThrowawayM
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    8 months ago

    Have you seen me struggle to figure out how to define rule 1?

    Civility and related stuff is actually really hard to define. “I know it when I hear it” is valid enough.

    And yes, Germany does not have freedom of speech. America does. That’s why America doesn’t have hate speech laws.

    Remember, the government defines “hate speech”, it’s whatever the government doesn’t like. It’s not what you think hate speech is.

    I mean, look at the UK and how they abuse hate speech laws, it’s a great example of how the idea of free speech and idea of outlawing hate speech are incompatible.

    And McCarthy was about those with security clearance. Allegiance to hostile nations is still something that’s looked for.

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      8 months ago

      Remember, the government defines “hate speech”, it’s whatever the government doesn’t like. It’s not what you think hate speech is.

      And that’s the problem. We are founded on civil disagreement.

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        8 months ago

        “I think [protected race or class] should be slaughtered” is not a form of civil disagreement.

        Hate speech is inherently uncivil.