Steven Nikoui, the father a Marine killed during the U.S. withdrawal of Afghanistan, was arrested Thursday evening for shouting from a House gallery at President Biden during his State of the Union…
You can not like or dislike that we left Afghanistan, but you cant say it wasnt a shitshow of a withdrawal. If you cant admit it was botched then you are not being rational.
You can initiate a troop withdrawal from a 20-year conflict with less than 4 months of your presidency, but you can’t select a supreme court justice unless you have an R next your party affiliation? Biden inherited a shitshow with no other option to get out as fast as possible. He’s barking at the wrong guy, of course.
You can blame both of them for the disastrous response. Breaking the terms of the withdrawal, imposing sanctions and then drone striking civilians in Afghanistan before withdrawal were massive contributors. Culpability isn’t black and white.
I’d be fine with that analysis. Both presidents fucked up. Republicans are, like classical narcissists, never willing to admit they did anything wrong and eager to blame all their mistakes 100% on other people.
Uh, not sure how you compare those two things, but yes we should not have not been involved in most of the wars we have been involved in for the last 80 years, including Iraq, Afghanistn, Ukraine, and Isreal.
That shit show was caused by mango mussolini’s release of 5K Taliban troops and reducing the US troop presence to 2500 making it impossible to manage to evacuate more orderly by the agreed exist before date. None of it was the result of Biden’s decision. Unless of course you wish to claim Biden should have refused to honor the US given word.
"The choice I had to make, as your president, was either to follow through on that agreement or be prepared to go back to fighting the Taliban in the middle of the spring fighting season,” Biden said.
Again, your ignorance is no one’s fault but your own.
Ah, so you are another reality denying idiot. cool, cool. It was all reported at the time, and of course if you had a shred of evidence you could make a mint producing it, but instead you spew right wing talking points that have been disproven repeatedly.
Trump refused to share any existing plans until Biden took office. Guy couldnt hit the ground running, he had to play catchup because for the first time ever a Prez refused to hand the torch. With Covid killing more than troops in a war, that took priority, then all the other domestic shit he got left with, insurrectionists, and a few months for the withdrawal (which should have had a plan in place already)
So your theory is that the government is not big enough to deal with other problems and make and execute a basic plan? I was never a general and I could tell you what to do very basically because its very obvious.
Why aren’t terms for Presidents one year? I takes time. Time he was not afforded. His predecessor barred him from key details and plans. Its like dumping an outside party into a CEO position and expecting a company to right itself in one quarter, without providing them any details other than “here’s our files”. It’s not possible (except Musk but see how that played out). Government is big, with lots of people who oversaw it. And yeah, Trump could have had plans in place but he was too focused on “stolen votes” to care.
Except he had plenty of time and it was not complicated to do something different. Do you understand all they had to do was have the withdrawal point from Bagram AFB, and tell the taliban to stop marching toward the capital and that would have solved all the problems? I feel like you dont even know what happened are just repeating a bullsh1t talking point.
Yeah, don’t know why you’re catching down votes. The withdrawal was a rushed shit show. It was always going to be a mess, but literally announcing a complete withdrawal with a wholly inflexible timeline was just handing anyone who cooperated with the gov a death sentence.
I volunteer as a healthcare provider with an NGO that helped settle a lot of translators who worked with the military from Afghanistan to the US. Hearing about their last days escaping Kabul is always harrowing and they all left family behind.
Because the person he’s replying to didn’t say anything to warrant that response. They never commented on how it went just pointing out the person this guy was protesting isn’t the one who made the withdrawal plan and took over too late to do much about it.
To armchair quarter back the problem, they needed to just be at bagram AFB and tell the Taliban (or whatever group they were) to stop coming toward the capital til it was over, and take away the weapos if they were never going to fight for their country. I think that would have done it.
I don’t think anyone here is trying to blame Biden for the totality of withdrawal of Afghanistan. But it appears that most people in this thread are trying to deflect any sense of responsibility from the president.
He could have slowed down the time table, he could have pulled more troops to give families and allies more time. We shouldn’t have a knee jer reaction to valid criticisms of politicians. That just gives cover for all the invalid criticism to sound more credible.
And who started the withdrawal and left only 2500 troops in Afghanistan by the time Biden took office?
And who put us into afganistan?
Saudi Arabia?
Close. Check their rectums. I’m sure you’ll find a bush or two.
You can not like or dislike that we left Afghanistan, but you cant say it wasnt a shitshow of a withdrawal. If you cant admit it was botched then you are not being rational.
You can initiate a troop withdrawal from a 20-year conflict with less than 4 months of your presidency, but you can’t select a supreme court justice unless you have an R next your party affiliation? Biden inherited a shitshow with no other option to get out as fast as possible. He’s barking at the wrong guy, of course.
You can blame both of them for the disastrous response. Breaking the terms of the withdrawal, imposing sanctions and then drone striking civilians in Afghanistan before withdrawal were massive contributors. Culpability isn’t black and white.
I’d be fine with that analysis. Both presidents fucked up. Republicans are, like classical narcissists, never willing to admit they did anything wrong and eager to blame all their mistakes 100% on other people.
There was nothing wrong with withdrawing, I 100% support that, he just did it really really badly. Do I need to remind you how botched it was?
More botched than the lies that got us there in the first place? No? Cool cool
Uh, not sure how you compare those two things, but yes we should not have not been involved in most of the wars we have been involved in for the last 80 years, including Iraq, Afghanistn, Ukraine, and Isreal.
That shit show was caused by mango mussolini’s release of 5K Taliban troops and reducing the US troop presence to 2500 making it impossible to manage to evacuate more orderly by the agreed exist before date. None of it was the result of Biden’s decision. Unless of course you wish to claim Biden should have refused to honor the US given word.
Lets say thats true, why didnt they bring back the troops and equipment necessary to do the job correctly then?
The main problem was where they did the withdrawal from, and how they did it.
instead of saying ignorant bullshit, read the actual facts.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/US-Withdrawal-from-Afghanistan.pdf
"The choice I had to make, as your president, was either to follow through on that agreement or be prepared to go back to fighting the Taliban in the middle of the spring fighting season,” Biden said.
Again, your ignorance is no one’s fault but your own.
Did you just link propaganda from the government that failed?
Literally there were lots of options and withdraw at the same time. You guys need to stop just agreeing with your teams bullsh1t.
Ah, so you are another reality denying idiot. cool, cool. It was all reported at the time, and of course if you had a shred of evidence you could make a mint producing it, but instead you spew right wing talking points that have been disproven repeatedly.
Uh… what I am saying is not controversial, its obvious, but I guess you are the “SHOW ME EVIDENCE THE SKY IS CLOUDY TODAY!!!” guy. Peace.
Trump refused to share any existing plans until Biden took office. Guy couldnt hit the ground running, he had to play catchup because for the first time ever a Prez refused to hand the torch. With Covid killing more than troops in a war, that took priority, then all the other domestic shit he got left with, insurrectionists, and a few months for the withdrawal (which should have had a plan in place already)
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So your theory is that the government is not big enough to deal with other problems and make and execute a basic plan? I was never a general and I could tell you what to do very basically because its very obvious.
Why aren’t terms for Presidents one year? I takes time. Time he was not afforded. His predecessor barred him from key details and plans. Its like dumping an outside party into a CEO position and expecting a company to right itself in one quarter, without providing them any details other than “here’s our files”. It’s not possible (except Musk but see how that played out). Government is big, with lots of people who oversaw it. And yeah, Trump could have had plans in place but he was too focused on “stolen votes” to care.
Except he had plenty of time and it was not complicated to do something different. Do you understand all they had to do was have the withdrawal point from Bagram AFB, and tell the taliban to stop marching toward the capital and that would have solved all the problems? I feel like you dont even know what happened are just repeating a bullsh1t talking point.
Yeah, don’t know why you’re catching down votes. The withdrawal was a rushed shit show. It was always going to be a mess, but literally announcing a complete withdrawal with a wholly inflexible timeline was just handing anyone who cooperated with the gov a death sentence.
I volunteer as a healthcare provider with an NGO that helped settle a lot of translators who worked with the military from Afghanistan to the US. Hearing about their last days escaping Kabul is always harrowing and they all left family behind.
Because the person he’s replying to didn’t say anything to warrant that response. They never commented on how it went just pointing out the person this guy was protesting isn’t the one who made the withdrawal plan and took over too late to do much about it.
To armchair quarter back the problem, they needed to just be at bagram AFB and tell the Taliban (or whatever group they were) to stop coming toward the capital til it was over, and take away the weapos if they were never going to fight for their country. I think that would have done it.
It’s directly above in the reply chain:
But kind of like Republicans blamed Obama for not ending the wars they started, the blame is now all on Biden.
I don’t think anyone here is trying to blame Biden for the totality of withdrawal of Afghanistan. But it appears that most people in this thread are trying to deflect any sense of responsibility from the president.
He could have slowed down the time table, he could have pulled more troops to give families and allies more time. We shouldn’t have a knee jer reaction to valid criticisms of politicians. That just gives cover for all the invalid criticism to sound more credible.