I am a girl and I use “guy” in a gender neutral way.
Vs. “person”?
The word “guy” (vs “gal”, etc.) is literally signaling gender.
Not that I think it’s worth much debate/argument, but still. When I read the OC I just substituted the word ‘guy’ for ‘person’ in my head, because I understood the meaning of the whole sentence being said.
I don’t mostly, I just wanted to make conversation. As I mentioned earlier, I did the mental gymnastics and substituted “person” for “guy” in my head when reading.
Language is chabgeable.
It definately evolves, over time. I speak English but literally can’t understand Old English (as an example).
My language doesn’t segregate between an Uncle (for example) on my Father’s side, vs. on my Mother’s side, while some other languages do exactly that, they have two different words depending on which Uncle you’re talking about.
Heck, we even use the same vowels but pronounce them differently in different cultures. English pronouces the vowel “I” as “eye”, while (for example) with Persian/Farsi they pronounce the vowel “I” as if its an “E”. Americans say “Eye-ran” for Iran, where Persians say “Eee-ron” for Iran.
Its important for Humanity to be able to speak to each other, to resolve issues and build a better social World habitat. Kind of hard when people manipulate the languages away from what they are, but then again that Humanity, never 100% perfect.
Thanks for writing this long post but I’m not really going to read it. Not interested in a side trackwd conversation about a non-issue.
I mean, it’s not that long, I’m just quoting what you said before responding to it is all.
And kind of funny, considering you’re here on Lemmy to read other people’s comments.
And I really truly feel that Humanity needs to be able to talk to each other, and if they can’t agree on common wording conventions it makes it that much harder to do. So I think it actually is something of an issue, even if just a minor one.
Overall, too bad, thought we were having a good/friendly conversation.
Four paragraphs, three out of four of them are one sentence long, and the fourth one is two sentences long. That’s long to you? Really?
Noping out of here.
No need to run. It’s just an Internet conversation.
Honestly, why are you even on Lemmy then, where there’s a lot of comments that are longer than that last one I just did?
I’m getting the feeling at this point that you’re the type of person who just scrolls down to the bottom of a EULA/TOS and just hits the ‘accept’ button, without reading.
“Actress” also still exists, but many women in that business prefer “actor” and it is becoming a default.
Yep, I’m aware. They’ve gone back and forth on that though in Hollywood, not sure where they landed currently on that. The last Academy Awards was still using actress.
The existence of a word doesn’t change the fact that language is fluid.
The fluidity has nothing to do with the existence of a single word or not, but about human nature, and it’s error rate/drift, and how all humans can’t “stay on the same page” over a long period of time about the rules of a language, so the language morphs over time. Lol, basically ‘cancer’ for languages.
But we should try, so that we can maximize the ability to communicate with each other.
IMO there is no reason to be offended by being misgendered. Unless it’s obviously an attack.
Well as someone from an older generation I’d generally agree with you, a simple mistake to apolgize for, and not to be taken so negatively.
But it does seem that these days that type of logic does not hold sway, as people care very deeply about proper gender identification now, and see it as being disrespected if incorrectly gendered. So I try to always use the right gender, so no accidental disrespect is done.
Vs. “person”?
The word “guy” (vs “gal”, etc.) is literally signaling gender.
Not that I think it’s worth much debate/argument, but still. When I read the OC I just substituted the word ‘guy’ for ‘person’ in my head, because I understood the meaning of the whole sentence being said.
Language is chabgeable. I always say “guys” for mixed groups. Seems like some more people agree or don’t care.
I don’t mostly, I just wanted to make conversation. As I mentioned earlier, I did the mental gymnastics and substituted “person” for “guy” in my head when reading.
It definately evolves, over time. I speak English but literally can’t understand Old English (as an example).
My language doesn’t segregate between an Uncle (for example) on my Father’s side, vs. on my Mother’s side, while some other languages do exactly that, they have two different words depending on which Uncle you’re talking about.
Heck, we even use the same vowels but pronounce them differently in different cultures. English pronouces the vowel “I” as “eye”, while (for example) with Persian/Farsi they pronounce the vowel “I” as if its an “E”. Americans say “Eye-ran” for Iran, where Persians say “Eee-ron” for Iran.
Its important for Humanity to be able to speak to each other, to resolve issues and build a better social World habitat. Kind of hard when people manipulate the languages away from what they are, but then again that Humanity, never 100% perfect.
Thanks for writing this long post but I’m not really going to read it. Not interested in a side trackwd conversation about a non-issue.
I mean, it’s not that long, I’m just quoting what you said before responding to it is all.
And kind of funny, considering you’re here on Lemmy to read other people’s comments.
And I really truly feel that Humanity needs to be able to talk to each other, and if they can’t agree on common wording conventions it makes it that much harder to do. So I think it actually is something of an issue, even if just a minor one.
Overall, too bad, thought we were having a good/friendly conversation.
Woop anorher long one! Noping out of here.
Four paragraphs, three out of four of them are one sentence long, and the fourth one is two sentences long. That’s long to you? Really?
No need to run. It’s just an Internet conversation.
Honestly, why are you even on Lemmy then, where there’s a lot of comments that are longer than that last one I just did?
I’m getting the feeling at this point that you’re the type of person who just scrolls down to the bottom of a EULA/TOS and just hits the ‘accept’ button, without reading.
Wait. You don’t do that also? 😆
Always read the fine print, or don’t bitch and moan about being f’d over.
Oh no another long one! This time I only skimmed through the first sentence.
You probably think dude implies gender too
Dude and Dudette. 😀
“Actress” also still exists, but many women in that business prefer “actor” and it is becoming a default.
The existence of a word doesn’t change the fact that language is fluid.
Yep, I’m aware. They’ve gone back and forth on that though in Hollywood, not sure where they landed currently on that. The last Academy Awards was still using actress.
The fluidity has nothing to do with the existence of a single word or not, but about human nature, and it’s error rate/drift, and how all humans can’t “stay on the same page” over a long period of time about the rules of a language, so the language morphs over time. Lol, basically ‘cancer’ for languages.
But we should try, so that we can maximize the ability to communicate with each other.
Yep I also say dude to men and women. Big deal.
I guess next time I see your mom I’ll call her dude.
(I kid, I kid.)
Don’t kid. Call her dude or guy, I literally do not care.
(I kid not and don’t see the point, and for a “Cosmic” Cleric, you seem a bit uptight and closeminded)
Wow, so hostile. Have a nice day.
You reap what you sow.
I stand by what I’ve said.
I call my mom dude all the time. IMO there is no reason to be offended by being misgendered. Unless it’s obviously an attack.
Well as someone from an older generation I’d generally agree with you, a simple mistake to apolgize for, and not to be taken so negatively.
But it does seem that these days that type of logic does not hold sway, as people care very deeply about proper gender identification now, and see it as being disrespected if incorrectly gendered. So I try to always use the right gender, so no accidental disrespect is done.
People will always expect you to understand things about them you cannot. If someone gets mad. That person sucks. lol.