• This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    “You don’t think this is a result of decades long fucked up relationship between US and Israel, driven by almost all political and administrative entities from both DNC and GOP, and not just Biden?”

    “yOu ArE gEnOcIdE eNaBlEr!!11!”

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      7 months ago

      “That’s the way we’ve always done it” is a poor justification for supporting genocide.

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        7 months ago

        That’s not what they said at all.

        You are mixing up “the way it is” with “the way it should be”. They are speaking to the way it is not trying to argue that it should be that way because we always have.

        It’s simply stating a fact. The US has a multiple decades long bromance with Israel and the unsettling truth is that we both love doing the whole industrial war machine killing and genocide thing. A lot. Slavery, Trail of Tears, Vietnam, Banana Republics, Tuskegee, Iraq, Afghanistan, and on and on. And you’re gonna sit there and tell me it’s Biden’s fault alone that Israel is doing a genocide? And that he alone can somehow stop them after decades of doing it too and backing them?

        Should Biden denounce the genocide? YES Should Biden at least stop sending munitions? YES Should Biden send in our troops to stop the IDF? Yes? No? Maybe? I don’t even know. Is he responsible for the genocide? NO

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          7 months ago

          He supports the genocide by selling weapons to Israel. If he ever stops, I’ll stop saying he supports genocide.

          I didn’t say it was Biden’s fault alone.

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            7 months ago

            Fair. And I agree.

            One thing that makes me bristle at the situation is that a lot of people are saying “he is doing the genocide so let’s elect Trump!”

            And I’m like wtf? No. He isn’t DOING the genocide, he is enabling it sure, but not doing it, and not voting for him to let Trump win is 100x worse.

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              7 months ago

              One thing that makes me bristle at the situation is that a lot of people are saying “he is doing the genocide so let’s elect Trump!”

              And one thing that makes me bristle is when people assume that all opposition to the genocide is this. My position is that Biden is supporting Netanyahu’s genocide and that he should stop.

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                7 months ago

                Full agree. Sorry for assuming. I’ve gotten a LOT of the “genocide Joe so let’s elect Trump” BS lately.

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                  7 months ago

                  What actions so you suppose I can take? You just know I’m utterly powerless to change it and want to blame me for not stopping Biden’s support for the genocide every centrist has always wanted.

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          7 months ago

          It’s so neat seeing the only policy centrists actually stand up for when they encounter pushback.