One of the things that makes french pastry so good is the buttery taste. You can have good pastry without butter but it’s definitely not on par with a proper butter croissant.
People downvoting you for the truth. There are dishes that you just can’t approximate with substitutes, baked goods which have butter as their main ingredient being one of them. Like making a steak without meat.
I have been eating vegetarian or vegan for long before it became en vogue to care about animal welfare and the ecological impact, but I still wouldn’t try to eat like a meat eater with vegan imitations replacing my dietary habits.
For that matter I don’t like most of the current approximations that are all the rage right now, I don’t want to taste meat when I dont eat meat. Keep your analog mortadella away from me.
Went a bit off the rails. Sorry
I was never a butter guy, i don’t like it when food tastes buttery. I tried vegan butter, and i was pretty shocked how much it smelled like butter. I don’t know how well that translates to baking and such tho.
I haven’t tried vegan butter yet, it’s easier to find margarine around here, which tastes like ass most of the time. But I’d definitely give it a try if they manage to get the buttery taste without the suffering.
The weirdest part is that i absolutely dislike coconut, which sucks, and it’s on a coconut base, but tastes more like ice cream butter? Hard to explain
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I never stated that vegan butter will never replace dairy butter. I just said that butter is what makes french pastry so tasty, and French people are very conservative when it comes to their food.
Also a lot of pastry chefs (obviously industrial pastry corpos and some artisans as well) don’t bother with butter croissant anymore, because it’s really labour intensive and more expensive to make so they settle for vegetable oils or other animals fats, which is a shame because as I stated, there is very little that compares to a proper, fresh, warm butter croissant.
If a vegan butter can replicate what makes dairy butter so good, I’m all here for it, but that would take some time to be accepted by the French as a proper cruelty free replacement.
Vegan croissant have existed for a very long time, it’s usually cheaper croissant that are made with palm oil to replace butter.
Oh sweet summer child let me tell you about palm oil…
“The fear of losing French agriculture is the fear of losing our heritage, our land. It’s the farmers that maintain our landscape and make France a country for tourism. When no farmers are left, when no cows are left, it will be much worse. (But) I think we’re at a turning point in terms of awareness,” Lenaerts continued, pointing to strong public support for the recent farmers’ protests.
I find this whole conflict so completely bewildering. I don’t even know what I’m supposed to be aware of. No one is saying that farmers should disappear. Hell, much of the vegan crowd is buying local and organic and paying a premium. Much of the vegan crowd is politically left and absolutely in support of small farmers rather than big corporations. It feels like a massive missunderstanding, between two groups that should be allies. I’m suspecting a disinformation campaign behind all this, but unfortunately, the disinformation is already out there.
There are plenty of landscapes that would not exist without grazing, and also nothing about what you say addresses the whole heritage thing. About 4500 years of heritage, domesticated cows came with the Indo-European migration, thence things like the sun getting carting across the sky, Indian holy cows, etc.
And, no, farmers generally aren’t very vegan-friendly, or even vegetarian-friendly. You eat what nature provides, you don’t rely on B12 reinforcements and regular blood tests to be strong enough to haul hay. You turning this into some capitalist “but we’re buying their stuff they should bow to our will” kind of deal is utterly insulting.
I am not talking about capitalism. I am talking about the survival of humans and the ecosystems around us. We need to battle climate change. And the industrialized cow agriculture is one of the biggest problems in that.
In particular, I also consider it more optional than e.g. heating rooms in the winter. The excessive consumption of milk products and meat only started after WW2 and is widely considered unhealthy. Food experts have been begging for us to eat more veggies, for decades.
Capitalism will not work for this. We need to financially support farmers in transitioning to more climate-friendly options. Humanity as a whole fucked up in that regard, and we need a solution sooner rather than later.
Waiting until capitalism badly self-regulates, that will cost us more and more of the ecosystems we depend on, and force more and more ethnic groups around the globe into extreme poverty, into political instability, into dictatorships and terrorism.The sooner we have a solution, the better for humanity as a whole, but I absolutely do not see a reason why this would need to happen at the cost of farmers.
And I do not have a problem with heritage. If we go back to pre-industrial levels of cow agriculture, that’s plenty good for battling climate change.
And the industrialized cow agriculture is one of the biggest problems in that.
Pasture-fed cows, such as the French use for top-tier butter, isn’t. And that’s even before considering that there’s a gazillion things more impactful than cows when it comes to climate change.
You’d have to look at Danone, not Croissants… and Danone actually isn’t that bad TBH as far as giant milk companies are concerned. Arla, OTOH, is exporting milk powder into the world. The easiest change would be to ban the import of soy, or demand that producers must produce X% of the food on the same farm (it’s essentially 100% for organic production already), but then that might cause some serious fallout with South America which’d suddenly sit on mountains of soy.
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Are you aware that you can farm other things than cows, and that alternatives to butter are generally at some point sourced from things that grow?
Thank you for the people who reported this comment
Only a couple of years back, the French tried to pass off fish and seafood as vegetarian. It nicely illustrates how much acceptance and understanding veganism can get.
It’s not sea food, but sea fruits. Fruits are vegan (put Axel_Foley_is_smart.gif here).
Do you mean rollsafe gif? That’s not Eddie Murphy, unless you mean some other meme gif I’m not aware of. Or you are just being facetious in which case please ignore.
Yes you’re right. Mea culpa.
French has several (as others I guess) distinctions, like do you yeat fish, do you eat cheese, do you have a leather belt etc.
One is “rarely eat meat” (flexitarien).
So I guess it’s just more nuanced / less black/white.
Perhaps, but this was an international event held in English, and the food was specifically for people who indicated they are vegetarian beforehand.
Why is hitting the back button such a trap with the BBC of all places
Works perfectly fine for me, but it’s probably the redirect from co.uk to com.
Because “the idea of veganism is considered too “militant” for many.”
The story goes on to detail several people with old views about animal welfare.
But what about my (insert random food)
Thanks for sharing!
