Hamas says it has launched a rocket attack towards the Tel Aviv area in central Israel for the first time in nearly four months. At least eight rockets were launched from the Rafah area in southern Gaza and several were intercepted, the Israeli military says. No injuries have been reported.
People without a state fighting for their right to be a state shoots rockets at country that they are at war with.
Kiev shoots rockets into Russia and everyone gets it.
I’m anti-war as much as the next person but I can understand that a besieged people will act like they are under seige.
“Kiev” eh, tovarisch? Ukraine doesn’t bomb residential targets. Palestinians should have their own country but don’t defend what Hamas are doing here.
It’s been almost a decade of civilian targets in Donetsk Oblast getting struck. Sure, blame it on civil war, but point still holds.
In Ukraine’s case russia is guilty of both the crimes of hamas and Israel:
russia invaded with the intent to wipe out their neighbour and wiping out Ukrainian identity from the region (like hamas wants to wipe out Israel and would if they had the means). They resort to unethical asymmetric tactics and torture innocents in the name of national liberation like hamas.
as well as
levelling whole cities with massive civilian casualties without regard for human life (like Israel is doing).
There is no equivalence.
You’re living in fantasy land. Israel is wiping Palestinians off the planet, actions > words. Israel is guilty of Hamas and Israels actions according to your own logic.
There is absolutely equivalence, both are besieged and their actions are understandable at the state level. Fight back to your oppressors.
So you think what hamas did on Oct 7th was to “Fight back to your oppressors”? You’re the one living in fantasy land.
I did not say that and wouldn’t. Israel created the conditions for Hamas to come to power.
Looks like Zionists have brigaded this post.
You can’t just call everyone who disagrees with you a “Zionist”. We can read comments and your responses to them. That’s exactly what extremists, like Zionists, do.
Just look at the apologia of these comments. This is Hasbara brigading.
Dude, lemmy doesn’t have enough users to justify targeted hasbara activity or any other PR firm, that’s part of the magic of the fediverse, at least for now.
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In all discussions I’ve had about this, the root of the whole issue that fractures discourse is: should Israel disappear or not?
I think not (even if the original partition plan was too utopic and inviting a disaster), so the best Palestinians will ever get is what was in the original partition agreement, which you just have to accept peacefully, not with war, war declarations make palestine lose ground e.g. 1967 borders. I’m sure if a Palestinian government (not fucking hamas) recognized Israel, they’d get their state tomorrow, but this was never accepted, sooo…
if instead ou think Israel should disappear or turn into an ungovernable fractured state like Lebanon, like hamas wants, then…“fight back to your oppressors” and you’ll have endless war.
Whether it should or not, I think the fact needs to be accepted that Israel won’t disappear and the question now is whether or not Palestinians get to, at the very least, have the West Bank and Gaza as an independent nation. I hope they get more than that, but Israel is not going to disappear. A two state solution is, I hope, something that will eventually be reached.
I think the wast majority of the world agrees with this. It’s even the US’ official position.
No it should not.
As long as the Palestinians not recognized israel, israel has no right to exist. If israel wants to gain that right it can do so by accepting a two state solution
The clock didn’t start on October 7th. Zionists have been massacring Palestinians since 1948. Palestinians have every right to fight their occupiers.
One act of violence does not justify another. That’s the whole reason there’s now a genocide. You’re just taking it back a step.
The reason there’s a genocide is because the Zionists want to exterminate Palestinians. It’s unfinished business. October 7th is just the latest excuse.
It sounds more like you’re making an excuse for October 7th. And if October 7th resulted in a genocide, I’d say that it was not justified in any way.
I don’t need to make an excuse. The Palestinians have been under a brutal colonial occupation for 76 years supported by the US.
Yea, because escalation always solves the problems of Palestinians.
It did. New countries recognized palestine as a state, many universitis diversed from companies supporting israel. Icc and icj sided with palestinians etc. Algeria sacrificed 1 million persons to get their independence.
Yes, but France only had to gtfo of Algeria, they just had to swallow their pride, give up and go home. Where do you expect Israelis to go?
They should get out of the west bank and remove the blockade from gaza.
Back to Europe. Or just give Palestinians back their stolen land and stop the apartheid.
Yes, it was. The goal was to get both civilians and military hostages and also ruin the abraham accord. I think what hamas did was terrible and wrong and a crime against humanity because they killed civilians but it doesn’t remove their status a resisting group. In fact resistances group killed innocent civilians like the mau mau but didn’t made britain the good guyd
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Can’t believe you’re being downvoted. Palestinians have ever right to defend themselves against Zionist colonists who have stolen their country.
Israel is built on stolen land and mass graves.
Eh, internet points are not real. Much of the conversation devolves into purity of tactics for a people who attack their subjugators. Decades of subjugation and genocide are irrelevant but we will overanalyze the actions of the oppressed as society always does.
Show me any nation state that isn’t. I’d be really interested if there are actually any.
Ukraine fires rockets at military targets. Hamas fires rockets at civilian population centers. Most people get the distinction.
Kiev …
Yes, it’s the Russian spelling, but it was the widespread on English language maps for decades. It’s an easy mistake to make. Kyiv is preferred, sure, but the actual name is Київ.
It’s 2024. The naming has significance and to ignore that is disrespectful, and communicates a pro Russian invasion stance.
Edit downvotes from pro Russians. Fuck yall
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