• Prandom_returns
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    How is this enshitification?

    You’re using third-party tools to circumvent the thing that the platform is held together by.

    And the platform is now circumventing the third-party tool.

    Pay for premium if you don’t want ads. The servers aren’t free.

    Or, yknow, use an alternative. But you won’t, because Mr. Beast and ASMR ear lickers aren’t there.

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      If your youtube experience has been all about ignoring ad blocking, your experience has still been thoroughly enshitified.

      Once upon a time you might get a single ad before the video, and be able to skip it if it went over 5 seconds.

      Over time, we have gotten multiple commercial breaks, skip button being per-ad instead of per-break, the delay before skip extending to 30 seconds or no skip being allowed at all. Ads slipped into the stream sounds like ad skipping would be totally gone and I bet there’s no “ads capped at a reasonable length” either.

      Of course, as this has gone on, the content is increasingly just not worth it. So many titles that I know could be answered in like 10 seconds show a length of 40 minutes or so, and it’s generally not “oh just a segue into a more engaging broader topic”, it’s stupid meandering and padding because long videos are somehow better for the creator. So if I see a youtube title that intrigues me, I google to find the wikipedia article they are probably sourcing instead.

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        Yes, overtime you’ll get more ads, as the server cost increases. But you’re not watching 360p content on a 1024*1024 monitor any more.

        There are more and more content creators, creating 4K content every day. Server costs goes up.

        IF you don’t like ads, you have the option to buy premium, to pay the server costs / content creators / staff.

        It’s not enshitification, since you get more, high-quality (figuratively and literally) entertainment / whatever.

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            I think people who expect things to be free AND convenient are either children or live in a fantasy world and have no idea how the world works.

            Getting around an extension that circumvents YouTube’s monetisation is not enshitification.

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              Getting around an extension that circumvents YouTube’s monetisation is not enshitification.

              YouTube: constantly makes the ad experience worse

              Users: install AdBlock methods to dodge how terrible it’s gotten

              YouTube: continues making the ad experience worse

              You, an intellectual: but it’s not enshittification tho

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                Can you maybe add 2 and 2 to get a 4?

                Your “ad experience” being “worse”, mwans that more ads are shown to you, so companies are more inclined to advertise, because their ad money is not wasted.

                You either pay for premium or watch ads. You don’t want to watch ads and you don’t want to pay for premium. You’re a free-loader leech and you’re crying enshitification where there is none.

                You get more ads so they can collect more money for ever-increasing server and content-creator costs.

                Again, either a child or absolutely clueless.

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                  You either pay for premium or watch ads.

                  Or you pay a premium and watch ads (ex. HBO Max, Netflix etc.), which is always the end goal for the goblins at these companies. Enough is never enough, that’s the problem.

                  Companies can still make money without going overboard. If anything the reckless pursuit of maximizing profits at all costs is bad business practice if your goal is a sustainable company.

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                    Slippery-slope nosense. We’re talking specifically about YouTube here, let’s stay on topic.

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                  We pay with the data they are illegally harvesting.

                  Fuck youtube and fuck american companies, I will leech the fuck of it until they crumble.

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              This is about greed and excessive ads, not a complete unwillingness to admit that platforms need a form of income to run.

              When platforms go too far, people pushback. That should be a sign for YT that their advertising strategies are unsustainable and they need to make them less offensive and dusruptive to users.

              Not everything done to maximize profit is excusable. People are entitled to draw a line when greed goes too far.

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                Can you show me how much profit Youtube had in 2023? You seem to know this, because you base your whole argument on it.

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                  $31.5 billion in revenue in 2023. [Source]

                  This doesn’t include subscriptions, which accpunt for around another $10-12 billion.

                  The company is worth hundreds of billions. So, no, I don’t think they’re suffering from ad blockers.

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                    Ah yes, the good ol’ revenue is just a synonym to profit. Classic.