You might recall a few weeks ago that I requested from a well-known large and somewhat litigious company the source code of the modification they made to a certain GPL debugger, and that they grudgingly agreed after a long time.

So I set out to work on the pile of code they sent me and managed to extract their modifications and port them fo the latest version of that GPL tool… apart from one driver for their debug probes that we use throughout our company: the cunning bastards left a stub in the open-source debugger (I have the code for that) and that stubs talks to the rest of the driver in the form of a closed-source TCP server.

It’s a blatant trick to go around the GPL by taking advantage of the grey area surrounding linking in the GPL - i.e. the question of whether a closed-source program can be linked to GPL code and not become GPL itself, which still hasn’t been tested in court to my knowledge. If I recall correctly, the FSF is of the opinion that anything that dynamically links to GPL code becomes GPL too, but that’s just an opinion.

And of course, here in this case, the aforementioned company added one degree of separation between their closed-source driver and the GPL tool that uses it by making it a server, so whatever argument against linking to GPL code becomes even weaker.

Anyway, as you can imagine, I’m disappointed: my work is 90% there, but I still don’t have that one driver and their closed-source faux-server is half-broken and dog-slow because of the time it takes to spawn the server and communicate with it through TCP, and I can’t fix it. And I’m 100% certain that if I asked them to send me the source code for that, they’d tell me to suck eggs.

But here’s what happened: I got so tired of their shenanigans that I started investigating other debug probes I could use instead of their proprietary junk. And after quite a lot of investigation, I found one solution based on open hardware and open software that, with some careful configuration, works 2x to 3x faster than their proprietary debug probe. Wow! I didn’t even know it was possible, and I probably wouldn’t have researched it if I had had all I needed to make what we already own works.

Long story short: I proposed that my company replace all our existing proprietary debug probes with the open hardware one and my boss agreed. That’s like 20 probes in total, between R&D, testing and production, and at the tune $266.99 per probe for the original proprietary one, that’s $5339.80 the egregious GPL-violating company won’t get from us. Not to mention renewal of the license for their IDE that we’ve been using for almost 2 decades, because finally, at long last, after over a month of solid work, I finally managed to free up our source code from their vendor lock-in and make it compile, debug and flash using open-source tools from start to finish!

So yeah, I didn’t get what I originally wanted from that company. That’s the bad news. But in the end I ended up better off without it, and that’s the good news 🙂

    • ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.orgOP
      28·
      4 months ago

      I can’t really say because it would make it obvious which debugging tool I’m talking about and that would out me. And then the company could put 2 and 2 together and find out who my employer is and… you know, our orders might become slow or mishandled, that sort of things. My company’s entire business depends on that one supplier, so it wouldn’t be good.

    • orcrist
      21·
      4 months ago

      Sometimes people in OP’s situation don’t say too much information because they don’t want to jeopardize their professional relationship with the other party.

  • youmaynotknow@lemmy.ml
    44·
    4 months ago

    You are a superhero, one of the likes we rarely see.

    God bless you, your work has returned some hope on humanity for many of us.

  • evranch@lemmy.ca
    38·
    4 months ago

    Great to hear this story of success. That plus

    $266.99 per probe for the original proprietary one

    Reminds me of Schneider’s stupid proprietary dongle for programming their PLCs. It’s just a CH341 in a funny shaped case that fits into the funny shaped slot on the PLC, where it plugs onto an ordinary 0.1" pin header to talk logic level serial.

    Plus it has a custom USB ID of course. Probably costs $2 to manufacture, sells for almost $300 as well.

    • ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.orgOP
      11·
      4 months ago

      This one is kind of the same thing: it’s a bone-stock FTDI 4232H probe with a bit of logic tacked on to disable the chip without a custom init command and a custom USB PID/VID. All I need their driver for is to enable the chip. After that, I can just use the open-source FTDI driver. But the driver makes everything super-slow, so the point is kind of moot anyway.

      Probably another attempt to go around the GPL actually, because they use the FTDI driver to talk to the chip (because the open-source libusb is very slow in Windows) and that too can’t be linked to the GPL debugging tool. So the probe masquerades as a custom device.

    • OsaErisXero@kbin.run
      9·
      4 months ago

      It’s rare that the business would give them the slack to be able to, usually there’s plenty of intent

      • ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.orgOP
        14·
        4 months ago

        My employer is openly willing to let the engineers work on whatever they want, however long it takes to make things good or better, not just good enough. The bean counters don’t run this place: we take the time to do things right.

        It’s a policy that has worked for us for the past 40 years, and it’s the main reason why our customers come back to us and we’ve been consistently very successful over the decades.

        Anyhow, originally one of my colleagues asked me if it would be possible to compile and debug our code in VSCode instead of the company’s IDE. I said I’d try to see if it’s possible, and then I went down the rabbit hole - with my boss’ blessing 🙂

        • ArtVandelay@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          4 months ago

          I hope you understand how truly fortunate you are to both be able to do that, and work at a place that allows you to do that

          • ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.orgOP
            3·
            4 months ago

            Of course I do. That job is the best gig I’ve ever had and it’s one of the best things I have going on in my life. That’s why I’m particularly cautious in this thread and I don’t say anything that could put my employer of my employment in jeopardy in any way, even though it’s highly unlikely.

  • chebra@mstdn.io
    21·
    4 months ago

    @ExtremeDullard Can you share the name of the new open source tool you found? Spread the knowledge, make more people leave the proprietary litigious vendors.

    And thanks for sharing your story.

    • ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.orgOP
      8·
      4 months ago

      I can’t sadly. It would make it obvious which company I’m talking about, and if ever read this thread, they could retaliate against us.

        • ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.orgOP
          9·
          4 months ago

          Well possibly, but here’s the thing: if I don’t say anything, I don’t have to worry about having to explain myself later.

          This is just a software project, I really really like my job and I have other hills to die on frankly. So I just don’t need the aggravation.

    • lemmyvore@feddit.nlEnglish
      33·
      4 months ago

      Spending 20k to unchain yourself from a clearly ill-meaning vendor can be seen as a good investment in itself. 5k saved in (recurring) fees is a bonus.

    • BearOfaTime
      22·
      4 months ago

      Lol.

      May be those fees are annual licensing fees. And who knows what else is tied to that (support contracts, etc)?

      I once enabled my company to forgo a license renewal of $10k…after 3 months of heavy work. Not really a big savings. But it also then eliminated an annual $1 mil in servicing fees that they would’ve had to pay for 10 years, by contract (so saved $10 mil). That we didn’t know when I started.

    • ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.orgOP
      18·
      4 months ago

      You assume I’m paid 20k per month when I’m paid a lot more than that 🙂

      Anyway, not to worry, we’ll recoup that money next year when we won’t have to renew our license for the 10-so development machines.

    • qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website
      12·
      4 months ago

      Yeah, but this is (according to OP) faster, which saves money. And, because it’s open, if there are features that could add serious value, they could be added in-house.

      But yeah, perhaps a bit of a pyrrhic victory.

  • Bluefruit@lemmy.world
    16·
    4 months ago

    Now thats something I’d slap on my resume. Hope you get a bonus or something for saving your company money cause it’d be well deserved.

    • ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.orgOP
      4·
      4 months ago

      The particular open-source license doesn’t matter: they’re doing all they can to not release their source code and that’s what I need to fix their stuff.