• JJROKCZ
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    478 months ago

    I see it’s massive still, really tired of this vehicle the size of a bus trend

    • @HedonismB0t@sh.itjust.works
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      8 months ago

      Yeah, and the weight of that behemoth means a tiny fender bender accident will do massive damage to everything involved. Wouldn’t be surprised if you could total itself with a 10mph impact.

      E: spelling

    • @expatriado@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      stupid arms race of feeling safer by being in bigger cage + policy that benefit utility vehicles as they have lenient fuel efficiency requirements

    • @littlewonder@lemmy.world
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      38 months ago

      Thank you! Me too! I would love a decent market of subcompacts to choose from but it’s so barren in the US and imports are $$$$$.

      I can’t believe they discontinued the Smart Car and there wasn’t another successor ready to take over its share of consumers.

    • @just_another_person@lemmy.world
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      18 months ago

      How else am I going to get my family and my fat ass to Costco to get all my bulk foods and a pizza on my way out the door to save me multiple trips to different stores? Duh.

    • @phx@lemmy.ca
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      -48 months ago

      There are ups and downs. If the size gives increased passenger capacity that can be the difference between needing one or two vehicles for a trip.

      Big vehicles means more weight though, which means bigger batteries to get range at even more weight. The Hummer EV for example weighs 4.5t with 1400kg of that being battery. That means extra wear on tires (as well at reinforced sidewalls), roads, and additional considerations for parking garages or bridges etc

    • Lev_Astov
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      48 months ago

      Crumple zones. I hate the look, too, but front impact crumple zones are very important, especially in such a monstrously sized vehicle. I just wish they could have sloped it to give better forward visibility.

    • @prey169@lemmy.world
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      38 months ago

      Probably has a drunk which ends up being super helpful during road trips etc because you can pack the same without blocking the rear window

      • @raptir
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        98 months ago

        Frunk. The drunk goes behind the wheel in the passenger seat.

        • JJROKCZ
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          88 months ago

          It’s an Escalade, the day drunk wino will definitely be driving

  • @darharrison
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    168 months ago

    This is gonna be stupid heavy. My Toyota Avalon is 3,638lbs and would just get pulverized in anything more than a parking lot fender bender. For reference, the current-generation Escalade can weigh up to 6,217lbs and the Hummer EV, which the Escalade IQ might be based off of, is 9,063lbs (as mentioned in the article). This thing is going to kill people.

    • @Damage@slrpnk.net
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      68 months ago

      9,063lbs

      lol 4 ton? In my country you’d need a commercial truck driving license for that thing

  • @dan1101
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    168 months ago

    And a 55 inch touch screen. So stupid. Make simple efficient EVs and you’ll sell millions.

    • @reddig33@lemmy.world
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      138 months ago

      Someone at GM finally realized this and un-canceled the Bolt. Still waiting for VW to wake up and ship the ID3 in North America.

      • FireWire400
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        I don’t think VW, or any German Car brand for that matter, really wants to sell small (electric) vehicles anymore.

        VW desperately wants to cancel the Up! in Europe in favour of SUVs, BMW cancelled the i3 a long time ago and only introduced either EV land yachts or giant EV SUVs since then. Mercedes just launched a new Smart EV (which is actually a Geely) but it’s not exactly small.

    • @Telodzrum@lemmy.world
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      18 months ago

      Market says otherwise. Automakers aren’t eliminating compact and sub compact models because they sell a ton of them.

      • JJROKCZ
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        58 months ago

        They don’t make them, how can you seek what you don’t make? They purposefully made less of them and said no one bought them so we’ll keep making giant (expensive) SUVs instead, plus those are easier to make due to the more lenient rules on large “utility” vehicle emissions

        • @Telodzrum@lemmy.world
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          08 months ago

          Your assertion is that they stopped making models that were successful in order to force people to buy models that would otherwise not be popular?

          You know this sounds crazy, right?

          • Lev_Astov
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            28 months ago

            US vehicle size is currently driven by broken EPA rules regarding emissions per wheelbase which strongly encourages larger vehicles. It seems to be affecting EVs as well, but not sure why.

          • JJROKCZ
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            18 months ago

            The forced people to buy models that could pass emissions regulations easier, which meant less r&d for few models that didn’t get much change, and they happened to be able to charge more due to size as well. Win/win/win for everyone other than all the dead kids that got ran over because Karen’s and Kyle’s can’t see past the football field of a hood and the grill is 5.5 feet tall

  • thelastknowngod
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    148 months ago

    SUVs are popular because they have emissions exemptions… Car makers, you don’t have to push this garbage anymore with electrics. Just let it go, man.

  • @raptir
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    108 months ago

    A 200kWh battery pack to get 450 miles of quoted range. 2.25mi/kWh. I understand it’s competing for the attention of people who would otherwise buy a gas Escalade, but that’s still a little crazy.

    • @filister@lemmy.world
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      18 months ago

      Isn’t it normal to have between 15-20km/KWh, that’s 4-5 times less efficient. Our car obsession is showing how wasteful we are.

      Not to mention that if this tank goes into an accident, the force experienced by the passengers in the other car would be a couple of times higher compared to the force experienced in the passengers of the IQ, practically making this a road kill machine.

      • @raptir
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        18 months ago

        Nah, not at all that high. A typical EV gets around 3-4 mi/kWh, which is about 4-6.5km.

        • @BirdsWithBeefyArms@lemmy.world
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          28 months ago

          For comparison, 1 gallon of gas is 33.7 kwh of energy, so 3m/kwh is 3*33.7 = 101.1 mpge

          So the numbers look low, but they’re certainly not low in comparison.

          • @raptir
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            18 months ago

            Eh, that’s a bit disingenuous in terms of consumer cost though. Where I live, gas is $3.90 per gallon and electricity is $0.19 per kWh. That puts gas at $0.11 per kWh. That still puts the Escalade IQ at 58mpg, but it’s getting awfully close to some (admittedly much smaller) hybrids. And that’s not to mention that that’s the price for home charging - public charging is closer to $0.40 per kWh. That still puts it around half the cost per mile of a gas Escalade.

            With a starting price of $50k more than the gas model you’re talking 300,000 miles to break even (assuming 100% home charging).

            • @BirdsWithBeefyArms@lemmy.world
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              My comment wasn’t necessarily addressing cost as opposed to how to calculate efficiency. Cost gets much weirder. Nobody can accurately determine the price that anyone else pays for electricity unlike gas, because solar and time of usage exists not to mention the percentage of time home charging comes into play. Washington Post ran a pretty good article on this recently.

              Either way ignoring cost, the EV will always be more efficient. That doesn’t mean it will always be cheaper.

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                18 months ago

                Sure, but if we want the typical consumer to choose an EV over an ICE then it would need to be cheaper.

                • @BirdsWithBeefyArms@lemmy.world
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                  You’re stating a different point that I’m making. I’m consistently saying “I’m not talking about price”, then you go back to price. The initial OP stated that the car obsession is showing it’s wasteful, because it consumes a ton of resources. Someone corrected the OPs understanding of the average efficiency of electric cars. I provided the EPA agreed-upon conversion of MPG -> MPGe. You then decided that efficiency = cost. It’s not.

                  Yes, for most use-cases an electric car will be cheaper; you can read about that here. There are some use-cases today where it won’t be. But it wasn’t the point of my post. Whether or not it’s always cheaper, using an EV Escalade vs a gas Escalade will always be more efficient.

  • @ScoobyDoo27
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    108 months ago

    24 inch wheels? Jesus Christ, get ready to spend half the value of the car on tires every few years.

  • AutoTL;DRB
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    58 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Called the Escalade IQ, Cadillac has gone all-out, fitting this one with a monster battery that stores enough energy to propel this behemoth 450 miles (724 km) before it needs plugging in.

    It’s a clean-sheet design that uses GM’s new Ultium battery platform and, in this case, the company’s  architecture shared by the forthcoming Chevrolet Silverado EV, among others.

    There’s a definite family theme shared with the other Cadillac EVs, the $60,000 Lyriq and the $340,000 Celestiq; like those cars the Escalade IQ—which starts around $130,000—uses lights to create a grille-like appearance at the front without the aero drag, and features a blanked-off D pillar.

    Any doubts we’re talking about a very heavy car should be dispelled when you find out the battery pack has a capacity of 200 kWh—the same as the 9,063-lb (4,110 kg) GMC Hummer EV.

    The pack uses a nickel cobalt manganese aluminum chemistry, and like the Hummer EV it has a party trick where it can fast-charge at 800 V despite running at 400 V.

    For a more luxurious approach for fewer passengers, the Escalade IQ can be specced with a second row that features reclining seats and fold-out tray tables.


    I’m a bot and I’m open source!

  • @HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works
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    48 months ago

    Electric SUVs are no better than gas trucks. The weight and shape of the vehicle require an unsustainable amount of energy. Furthermore, they give rich people the moral validation that keeps them trashing the planet with a good conscience.

  • @Hazdaz@lemmy.world
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    -78 months ago

    I find it funny how the endless stream of “oh, but it’s so big” comments almost universally get posted when it is an American vehicle, but rarely do you see the same level of vitriol when it is a foreign brand.

    The absolutely hideous BMW XM is not that much smaller than this Escalade IQ and yet where was the endless hate and comments about its enormous size when that was released? Or the Audi Q8 or Mercedes GLS? There is an anti-American bias and it is getting rather old. It is one thing if all larger vehicles got similar hate, but some people on here are showing their bias by specifically picking out American vehicles to bash.

    • utm_source
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      58 months ago

      Maybe because so many Americans get killed by these monstrosities.

    • @darharrison
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      Plenty to complain about with regards to euro luxury car concepts so yeah weight takes a backseat when feature subscriptions are making headlines. The XM, Q8, and GLS should also are hideously excessive vehicles but the Escalade is going to sell significantly better and so when it comes to its size the societal damage will be greater.