You can say “oh well, Biden didn’t cure inflation; he only raised wages for most working people to counterbalance it and then some. That’s not nearly good enough for me.”
If there are any undocumented people or anything living near you, try not to focus on it if you hear them screaming or anything, if something happens. It’s basically just the same as what Biden did, you can say. Pretty much the same thing.
I am talking about camps. This was last time, a bunch of people died, they’ve been blocking Biden from doing anything to fix it, and now they’re talking about mass deportations if they get control again.
Real wages have grown quite a bit, even with historic inflation. It’s actually mostly at the bottom end - at the tenth percentile, workers make 32% more (unadjusted) than they did before the pandemic, while cumulative inflation is around 20%.
Median workers (“typical”) have kept pace with inflation, but average and low-income workers have beaten it. That’s the reality, whatever you want to say about it.
I care more about unionizing auto workers / housekeepers / etc than I do about the people who live in my building. Generally they are doing pretty well, but they’re not the most vulnerable lot.
Here are numbers per capita – i.e. not just hourly from everyone who has a job, but total across all the population, going up if someone gets a job who didn’t have one before, which is significant since unemployment is now half what it was at the beginning of 2021.
That actually doesn’t tell the whole story, since as I said, the bottom-end of the wage scale has seen the most growth, while upper-income wages have actually fallen relative to inflation, so the average won’t tell the whole story and the real picture is much better than the average would tell you it is.
Cheers. I realize you’re not in this for good faith reasons. Say what you like. People are better off than they were four years ago. Full stop.
Neither them nor rest of workers are better off today lol except certain high income earning middle level professionals and elites.
I am all about labour getting their cut
I don’t see how it is obvious I am a bad faith actor here. You are shilling these numbers as a win for the worker… Hardly.
Even if we take your angle as true… Quality of life is down.
We have more homesless people and people are working more to break even.
Half the country or more lives paycheck to paycheck … How is it suprise that these numbers don’t resonate with anyone but political operatives and democrat zealots.
Neither them nor rest of workers are better off today
You keep saying this. I keep sending you citations for why the exact opposite is true. Are you going to back up this repeated assertion, or just keep saying it?
We have more homesless people
True
Half the country or more lives paycheck to paycheck
True
Which is why I think if we started pursuing some policies that would benefit working people, and producing some results at it, that would be a fuckin good thing
You, on the other hand, want to vote for a third party, let Trump come to power, and undo even the pretty small level of gains we’ve seen in the last few years and then some
Con fuckin gratulations. If you had a credible plan to bring a third party to power and do better than Biden, then that’d be fuckin fantastic. Sounds great. Refusing to “engage” with the system and letting things get even worse isn’t that plan.
Please note that I don’t believe that we are going to get a third party alternative.
3p vote is purely to rattle the regime for them to produce a proper candidate and keep doing it until they either do it or 3p becomes viable.
I don’t see a difference between kamala or trump. They are both regime plants, nothing will change. Maybe a few appeasements, 30k student debt canceled but never fix student loan system…
Provide some clown tax credit for first time home buyers but never fix housing system.
Introduce privacy laws, that are not an forced.
I am not saying you are wrong. I am just saying that I ain’t buying it. Time will tell which route is more credited but this is my position and I do appreciate the discussion. That’s how ideas get tested.
Increased tax on corporations raising roughly two trillion dollars; Amazon is paying a huge amount more tax now than they ever have before
Spent half a trillion dollars of that on climate change, putting us on track for 40% reduction in emissions by 2030, the biggest amount by almost a factor of 10 that any US president has ever done about it
Spent about a trillion dollars more on working people (e.g. domestic manufacturing and infrastructure), with results as discussed, wages outpacing inflation even though inflation hit huge historic levels in 2022
Miscellaneous other stuff; strengthened the NLRB so that they could backstop all these union gains recently for example
Is that enough? Fuck no, on any count. In terms of wanting to do better than Biden you and me are 100% in agreement. And, I doubt that Harris will do as much as all that, which is upsetting.
Working for the viability of someone more left in the political system who could get it done sounds great. I just fail to see the logic in removing the leftmost end of the spectrum from the voting equation, and thinking somehow that that will shift the Democrats to the left, instead of just shifting them to right so they can pick up more of the people who are still willing to vote for them. As has happened many many times in the last few decades…
If people being unexcited and uninvolved in politics was gonna produce the revolution, we’d have fucking Che Guevara in charge of the US by now.
Have fun in the camps
You can say “oh well, Biden didn’t cure inflation; he only raised wages for most working people to counterbalance it and then some. That’s not nearly good enough for me.”
If there are any undocumented people or anything living near you, try not to focus on it if you hear them screaming or anything, if something happens. It’s basically just the same as what Biden did, you can say. Pretty much the same thing.
This is not a serious response … But if are talking. About camps, they will fema camps staffed by obama death panels.
Immigrants ain’t going anywhere… Republican owning class needs them in heartland to work slaughter houses. Get real.
Also real wages are down and people have less disposable income… WTF is u smoking
I am talking about camps. This was last time, a bunch of people died, they’ve been blocking Biden from doing anything to fix it, and now they’re talking about mass deportations if they get control again.
Real wages have grown quite a bit, even with historic inflation. It’s actually mostly at the bottom end - at the tenth percentile, workers make 32% more (unadjusted) than they did before the pandemic, while cumulative inflation is around 20%.
Median workers (“typical”) have kept pace with inflation, but average and low-income workers have beaten it. That’s the reality, whatever you want to say about it.
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/06/competing-narratives-on-real-wages-incomes-under-biden/
I don’t like “fact checkers” but here they provide “official” government data.
People can make up their own mind if they care.
But numbers are numbers… What I don’t hear is people saying they are living better lol
Are people around you living large?
I care more about unionizing auto workers / housekeepers / etc than I do about the people who live in my building. Generally they are doing pretty well, but they’re not the most vulnerable lot.
Here are numbers per capita – i.e. not just hourly from everyone who has a job, but total across all the population, going up if someone gets a job who didn’t have one before, which is significant since unemployment is now half what it was at the beginning of 2021.
That actually doesn’t tell the whole story, since as I said, the bottom-end of the wage scale has seen the most growth, while upper-income wages have actually fallen relative to inflation, so the average won’t tell the whole story and the real picture is much better than the average would tell you it is.
Cheers. I realize you’re not in this for good faith reasons. Say what you like. People are better off than they were four years ago. Full stop.
Lower income did see wage gain.
Neither them nor rest of workers are better off today lol except certain high income earning middle level professionals and elites.
I am all about labour getting their cut
I don’t see how it is obvious I am a bad faith actor here. You are shilling these numbers as a win for the worker… Hardly.
Even if we take your angle as true… Quality of life is down.
We have more homesless people and people are working more to break even.
Half the country or more lives paycheck to paycheck … How is it suprise that these numbers don’t resonate with anyone but political operatives and democrat zealots.
You keep saying this. I keep sending you citations for why the exact opposite is true. Are you going to back up this repeated assertion, or just keep saying it?
True
True
Which is why I think if we started pursuing some policies that would benefit working people, and producing some results at it, that would be a fuckin good thing
You, on the other hand, want to vote for a third party, let Trump come to power, and undo even the pretty small level of gains we’ve seen in the last few years and then some
Con fuckin gratulations. If you had a credible plan to bring a third party to power and do better than Biden, then that’d be fuckin fantastic. Sounds great. Refusing to “engage” with the system and letting things get even worse isn’t that plan.
Please note that I don’t believe that we are going to get a third party alternative.
3p vote is purely to rattle the regime for them to produce a proper candidate and keep doing it until they either do it or 3p becomes viable.
I don’t see a difference between kamala or trump. They are both regime plants, nothing will change. Maybe a few appeasements, 30k student debt canceled but never fix student loan system…
Provide some clown tax credit for first time home buyers but never fix housing system.
Introduce privacy laws, that are not an forced.
I am not saying you are wrong. I am just saying that I ain’t buying it. Time will tell which route is more credited but this is my position and I do appreciate the discussion. That’s how ideas get tested.
Chief stuff Biden did:
Is that enough? Fuck no, on any count. In terms of wanting to do better than Biden you and me are 100% in agreement. And, I doubt that Harris will do as much as all that, which is upsetting.
Working for the viability of someone more left in the political system who could get it done sounds great. I just fail to see the logic in removing the leftmost end of the spectrum from the voting equation, and thinking somehow that that will shift the Democrats to the left, instead of just shifting them to right so they can pick up more of the people who are still willing to vote for them. As has happened many many times in the last few decades…
If people being unexcited and uninvolved in politics was gonna produce the revolution, we’d have fucking Che Guevara in charge of the US by now.