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        i bet they’ll still vote republican

        UPDATE: watch the apologists try to say that it’s not that bad below. lol

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          Bud, we already vote blue. Yeah there’s some dumbasses out there voting for Trump but he did something no Democrat has been able to do in the modern era. He got the military to vote blue in 2020.

          The Democrats have had trouble getting our VA stuff figured out but we’re well aware the Republicans want us to actually just die in an alley somewhere.

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            I’m glad that the wannabe dictator has pissed y’all off. Sorry about how he fucked y’all over, but it’s best that y’all don’t like him

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              the military isn’t pissed off at trump and the comment you’re responding to is intentionally misleading; less that 1% of people from the military force supported biden in majority numbers.

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                Oh dude. An 80 year old Vietnam veteran is not part of the military force. The guys who he needs to actually follow his orders hate him. Even us Iraq/Afghan vets aren’t getting called back unless they need extra trainers for non physical things.

                I’m absolutely not the one distorting things here.

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            461,657 troops voting for biden vs 16.2 million veterans voting for trump, that’s not even one percentage point; the military votes republicans and it seems that they were prefer that alley at this point.

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              There’s around 18 million veterans. Exit polling put them at 55/45. So no 16 million of us did not vote for Trump. Stop playing into GOP propaganda​. We are not captured by them and they are not the best party for us. The fact that the military voted blue is absolutely historically significant. You need to realize though that veterans are not the military. The cohort that voted against him lived through him staying the education funding for their children, denigrating their wounded and denying his actions got soldiers hurt.

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                Yeah that’s the part that blows me away - that anyone military-related would vote for Trump after his comments about McCain and wounded veterans. Truly voting against their own interests.

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                  The older guys just don’t believe it happened. Or automatically exclude themselves from his jokes. Literally just his admission that he wouldn’t do everything to rescue a captured service member should have made sure he never got another veteran or military vote.

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            461,657 troops voting for biden vs 16.2 million veterans voting for trump, that’s not even one percentage point; the military votes republicans

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              Because our military targets poor, undereducated individuals, which by and large exist in red districts/states.

              Fucked up any way you look at it

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                He’s not even right. There’s 18 million veterans and veterans went 55/45 Trump. That’s 9 million not 16, and if he can’t see why the active duty force voting against their commander in chief is significant then I have no help for him.

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              Not only does the article you replied to show that your numbers are completely wrong, but your comment isn’t even internally consistent… 462,657 is like 3% of 16.2 million, not less than 1%. What are you smoking?

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                  Again, your numbers are completely and totally wrong to begin with, proved by the very article you replied to—I’m just ALSO saying that even using your wildly incorrect numbers you’re still wrong in yet another way

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        I’m a Red Blooded Christ Loving Veteran and I’m TOTALLY OK WITH THAT as long as TRANS KIDS DIE TOO! #SaveTheChildren!

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      It’s just about time for a MASSIVE march on Washington. These clowns are way too comfortable.

      The Supreme Court is out of hand with zero pushback.

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        Hate to say it, but protests and marches do jack shit these days in terms of pressuring our leaders.

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          If there were anything approaching a general strike they would panic. They just don’t give a shit when it’s several thousand people on a weekend in NYC with their striking permits. Why would they? That’s a small parade. St. Patrick’s Day is a larger disruption for the city.

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            No, not really. One of the great america propagandizing myths is that protests are effective. They’re not, they can easily be ignored. What does work is organized strikes and planned disruptions of key targets with protests.

            In certain forms, or in conjunction with other forms of activism it can still work. For example tree sit ins to prevent logging.

            Occupy wall street, BLM, the protests when Row v Wade were overturned all largely accomplished nothing on their own.

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              Dude, the entire reason Ukraine isn’t a Russian puppet anymore is they got enough people together to stop it.

              In Vietnam the great anti war demonstrations didn’t stop the war on their own but they grew into such a movement that the politicians were forced to stop. It was such a thing that the evil guy torpedoed peace negotiations just so he could be the one to have peace negotiations.

              Large enough groups of people absolutely have an effect, directly or indirectly depending on the exact situation. BLM didn’t solve police brutality but it forced the adoption of body cameras and brought about the end of qualified immunity in at least one state. It made it okay for prosecutors to charge cops criminally, so they don’t get voted out for it in the next AG election. The Roe v Wade demonstrations got abortion on the ballot in several states, and it won on 4 out of 6. 5 states are going to have ballot referendums in November with possibly 5 more.

              If you’re looking for the crowd to solve the issue that day then you don’t understand how building a political movement works.

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                I have grown up pretty much my entire life hearing and thinking that protests are the way to bring about change, but everyone conveniently leaves out the fact that you have to build that political movement too.

                People want to show up for a protest and be done, many people don’t want to do the work to be an activist and work for change, and honestly I don’t blame them.

                Hell I know people who went to BLM protests, Palestine protests and pro choice protests… But don’t vote, so sorry if I seem overly critical of protesting. I’m just sick of prevalent idea that it’s all you need to do.

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                  I would just be careful of rolling that over into protests are useless or people who just protest are useless. Everyone is playing a part. Although they really should be voting too.

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                This is exactly the correct take. Other fantastic examples include Ghandi and Nelson Mandela.