• volodya_ilich
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    2 months ago

    !LOL so no solution in fact

    Not if you choose to ignore everything else I said after that. But that’s just you wanting to argue in bad faith

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      2 months ago

      Nothing you said after that prevents corruption. You haven’t offered a solution, you’ve just offered a hope.

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        2 months ago

        That’s just, like, your opinion, dude. Anarcho-syndicalism doesn’t logically eliminate corruption either, no system does

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          2 months ago

          no system does

          Exactly. Socialism brings no solution to the table. To think, all this time Marx was just faffing about the difference between being stabbed with a six inch knife and a twelve inch knife. What a palaver.

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            2 months ago

            Marx’s point wasn’t the complete elimination of corruption, but the elimination of the exploitation of the working class by the owning class. This has historically happened in several countries and can (and will) happen again.

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              2 months ago

              the elimination of the exploitation of the working class by the owning class

              But not the elimination of exploitation. In which case: meh.

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                2 months ago

                But not the elimination of exploitation

                There’s no surplus labour extraction, hence no exploitation

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                  2 months ago

                  LOL you’re deluded. What does it mean for there to be corruption without exploitation? Corruption is a form of exploitation.

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                    Corruption isn’t systematic, it’s an isolated and illegal activity, unlike extraction of surplus value in capitalism which is legal and encouraged and systematic. The extent of corruption is orders of magnitude below capitalist exploitation.