It looks like ubuntu touch on the fairphone 4 is nearly perfect, and the features that don’t work I won’t miss. I’m very tempted to buy a second hand fairphone 4, but I can’t really find much on the experience of ubuntu touch. How do you install apps? Are there repo’s that I can look at? And is it just branded ubuntu touch, or will any ubuntu apps made for arm work on ubuntu touch? If anybody has some links or personal experiences they could share, that would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks a lot in advance!
https://open-store.io/ is the Ubuntu Touch specific app store. If the model supports Waydroid, you can also install Android apps with some caveats.
You basically can’t install normal Linux apps on Ubuntu Touch.
I didn’t use Ubuntu Touch for awhile now, but did they remove lxd containers? I was able to run desktop apps on my phone.
Don’t get me wrong it was a terrible experience using it. But it worked.
Thank you
You should be able to run other desktop apps too, through libertine. Though, to be fair, my only time testing it was on a pinetab 1 and it was a feature not yet fully working at that time. I cannot confirm how well it works now
https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/libertine.html
That was why I added “basically”. Yes, theoretically that option exists, but practically you can’t realistically run anything in a usable way with that.
@jeffreyosborne @linmob The amount of wrong answers in this thread is astonishing.
Hi there, ubuntu touch is just ubuntu. It has been taken over by the community after ubuntu abandoned it iirc.
Anyway, its just linux so you can install apps and stuff that run on linux. Beware, not all apps are mobile friendly (yet).
I personally am involved in the postmarketOS microcosm (pretty much the same idea but based on alpine). Works pretty great but I cant tell you how it compares to ubuntu touch since I have no personal experience with ubuntu touch but from what I hear, its kinda cool.
If you are somewhat adept with linux you could download an emulator and check the features for yourself before you buy a phone. That way you could get an idea of the look and feel. But beware, setting up an emulator will be a lot more work than flashing a phone is.
Let me know if you need more info.
Good luck.
Sorry, but this is not true. Ubuntu Touch is based on Ubuntu, but it differs significantly from desktop Ubuntu.
I’m noticing some conflicting information, do you have any sources?
Yes, I have used Ubuntu Touch as a daily driver for two years and even developed some apps for it.
@poVoq @jeffreyosborne Can I ask you what are you using now?
I’m stuck on a hand-me-down iphone se 2020. I’m really sick of ios and apple in general, so I want to find a cheap pixel 3a or a fp4 and try out mobile linux. That would be more of an experiment though, so I’m going to look at the price of the pixel 8(a/pro) a few weeks after the release of the pixel 9.
@jeffreyosborne @joanisc The pixels don’t get some kind of security updates after about 4(? 5?) years. The advice is not to get one that’s past end-of-life, which only leaves pricey-ish ones. US$250 is pricey in my books.
Be all that as it may, highly recommend getting one (I have a 6a), and putting GrapheneOS on it and sitting back while everything works. (Except Merlin 🙁 ) I realize that’s not pure linux, but to me it’s outweighed by not having to fiddle around getting functionality.
I got a Fairphone 5 and will probably try to use it with Mobian once that becomes available for it.
@poVoq thank you! Meanwhile are you using ubports or AOSP?
For now the stock android that was preinstalled. I only recently bought it 🤷♂️
@jeffreyosborne @poVoq There are things like everything in containers that restrict and secure each app. You can install Linux apps (I remember installing Kleopatra and had a terrible experience with the app not been mobile ready) but it’s not the same always. As an example, you can have SSH but it’s a container, so you don’t have access to other things remotely. So it’s a big variation of a regular Ubuntu. Now I have installed (FP4) PostmarketOS and it’s a real Alpine with pros and cons
Does it get the same security updates then? Docs state it supports older hardware, which if secure that would be awesome
Sort of, but no. Ubuntu Touch uses libhybris to run the original Android kernel and device drivers. It’s a bit more complicated than that, but basically it is Android with a more Gnu/Linux like layer on top. This means you can run it on older hardware and the top-layer still gets some security updates, but for the most part you are stuck on the old Android parts with all the security issues.
Rough. Thanks for the info
Of course. Many devices are mainlined and get the exact same updates as PCs.
Do you know what’s stopping pmOS from supporting fairphone 4? Wouldn’t it be one of the easiest devices to support?
I think you are looking at this from a different angle than me. PostmarketOS is a small project which is very dependent on community contributions. The fairphone 4 is community supported and this means it works pretty well. See wiki for more info: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices
Most people who come from the proprietary „give money, get product“ world think only official support counts and they will get anything more than community support which is not the case. In the open source world, if you dont have the skills to repair your device, you ask someone to help and often they do for free. If you need it done NOW, you pay someone for it. Its not different than in proprietary land. Fast, good, cheap. Pick two! ;)
Sorry, totally missed it and didn’t see it on the list. Thanks!
No problem. Feel free to update on your journey to mobile linux.
@jeffreyosborne @haui_lemmy It’s not officially supported, but it works with pmOS, except camera (big issue), fingerprint, GPS, and a few more things. Camera I think it’s a problem with the library or the driver, not sure
I’ve heard ubuntu touch uses a library from android to be able to use most cameras, but because pmOS is alpine they don’t have that library.
Thanks a lot!
