are u implying that the amerikkkan empire, the country created to steal land and genocide and preserve slavery the country that bankrolls fascists everywhere, the country that does everything it can to oppress working people not only within its borders but outside them, an oligarchy where the head of state is selected by rich oligarchs and has near limitless political power, ISNT fascists. Amerikkka IS fascism it is the very template that the original fascists and the nazis based their designs on.
its amerikkka to differentiate from america the continent as for the triple ks it just goes well given amerikkkas love of racism and genocide and white supremacy its kinda what they country is all about
Okay but it did mean fascism after ww2. You know, after nazi collaborators participated in the holocaust in Ukraine, killing Ukrainian Jewish folks and others.
I dont think the original Ukrainian republic in 1917 was fascist though, we agree there.
That’s not the point. The point is: Ukraine is a normal country, nor a fascist hellhole nor a perfect Paradise. Their national symbol is also used by its far right, today and during the WWII; just like all other countries under the Nazi rule in Europe. And just like all other countries under the Nazi rule in Europe, they continued to use their national symbols after the WWII.
Fascists love to try to co-opt national symbolism, and sometimes they succeed, but ceding ownership of a 1000 year old symbol (it was used as a seal in Kievan Rus) because some assholes adopted it in 1993 is just letting the fascists win.
What are you talking about? It’s the coat of arms. It’s a symbol since 1918, when fascism didn’t even exist yet. Some nationalistic fascist organization using national symbols isn’t news, and it doesn’t mean fascists exclusively own it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Ukraine
Edit: oh sorry everyone, didn’t see it was a lemmy.ml user. Block and move on 🤷♂️
i guess when u see a flag flying a swastika u are like “probably not nazis after all there are many other people who used to use that symbol in the past”, and u know why that is? its because u are lib and as we all know scratch a lib…
we are in the english speaking internet talking about europe, what the fuck is ur point. u KNOW what was meant u KNOW than in the west a swastika means nazis what are u even trying to do.
Reminder that the ukrainian tryzub is fascist [2] symbolism.
Symbols have more than one meaning… The word “fascism” comes from one of these symbols: the Fasces. However the fasces are still used by France:
Or by the US:
Are these countries fascists just because they use the Fasces? Of course not. They have other meanings. It’s the same with this Ukrainian symbol.
yes
are u implying that the amerikkkan empire, the country created to steal land and genocide and preserve slavery the country that bankrolls fascists everywhere, the country that does everything it can to oppress working people not only within its borders but outside them, an oligarchy where the head of state is selected by rich oligarchs and has near limitless political power, ISNT fascists. Amerikkka IS fascism it is the very template that the original fascists and the nazis based their designs on.
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its amerikkka to differentiate from america the continent as for the triple ks it just goes well given amerikkkas love of racism and genocide and white supremacy its kinda what they country is all about
Anyone who calls out America’s history with genocide and settler-colonialism is a Russian bot, got it.
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The difference is that at the time the fasces were adopted they didn’t mean fascism. But also, coincidentally, the US and France are fascist.
And the tryzub didn’t mean fascism when it was firstly adopted by the (menchevik communist) Ukrainian People’s Republic in 1917…
Okay but it did mean fascism after ww2. You know, after nazi collaborators participated in the holocaust in Ukraine, killing Ukrainian Jewish folks and others.
I dont think the original Ukrainian republic in 1917 was fascist though, we agree there.
Vichy France of Pétain participated in the Holocaust too. France still use the fasces, the same anthem and the same flag.
Well, hot take /s, France bad
Vichy France bad
Mhmm. And you have to look at what France does to immigrants right now
That’s not the point. The point is: Ukraine is a normal country, nor a fascist hellhole nor a perfect Paradise. Their national symbol is also used by its far right, today and during the WWII; just like all other countries under the Nazi rule in Europe. And just like all other countries under the Nazi rule in Europe, they continued to use their national symbols after the WWII.
they sure did continue to use there national symbols
The point I was making is that France is also a fascist hellhole.
No, it’s the national symbol of Ukraine.
Fascists love to try to co-opt national symbolism, and sometimes they succeed, but ceding ownership of a 1000 year old symbol (it was used as a seal in Kievan Rus) because some assholes adopted it in 1993 is just letting the fascists win.
What are you talking about? It’s the coat of arms. It’s a symbol since 1918, when fascism didn’t even exist yet. Some nationalistic fascist organization using national symbols isn’t news, and it doesn’t mean fascists exclusively own it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Ukraine
Edit: oh sorry everyone, didn’t see it was a lemmy.ml user. Block and move on 🤷♂️
i guess when u see a flag flying a swastika u are like “probably not nazis after all there are many other people who used to use that symbol in the past”, and u know why that is? its because u are lib and as we all know scratch a lib…
Welp, pack it up boys, all of our buddhist neighbours are Nazis
No u
You would be surprised in Asia.
we are in the english speaking internet talking about europe, what the fuck is ur point. u KNOW what was meant u KNOW than in the west a swastika means nazis what are u even trying to do.
Reminder that your are a lunatic. Use of tryzub as a national/statehood symbol dates back to about a thousand years ago, roughly to the Viking age.
Moreover, even the link that you quote doesn’t say what you say it says.