I feel like I’ve actually encountered some Libs IRL and in other online spaces who at least sounded more intelligent. Every one that wanders in here just insists that their right, cites Wikipedia, and tries to troll people like a 14 year old who stole their moms laptop.
You think we’d occasionally get a somewhat more articulate one there but I’ve yet yo see it.
I’ve seen an hexbear user take the maximalist “stalin and soviet union did nothing wrong” stance and get lectured by an actual soviet historian but that was on another server. Smart people don’t go looking for fights online.
You don’t have to be a liberal to suggest to a comrade that “Stalin did some things wrong”
inb4 “stopped at Berlin” etcc
That wasn’t the criticism. It was closer to a left-comm criticizing the Bolshevik’s for betraying the revolution, ie Kronstadt etc.
Sure sure I get what you mean
Smart people don’t go looking for fights online.
I feel called out.
im a big proponent of examining formats and interfaces to better understand why people decide to interact the way they do
thats why i think hexbear should host a guestbook on the hexbear.net domain but it should just be for libs and they can write a little comment about how tankies are bad and why
Endless tagline generator
Put them in a scrolling feed in the sidebar
Can we bring back the lil counter at the bottom of the page while we’re at it
When you get banned or have a comment removed you should automatically get DMed a Feedback form. “Sorry to see you go! Tell us how we did!”
I’m sure it’s happened, I just can’t remember any off hand.
The liberals that come here are specifically redditors, so they’re all idiots
Hey! I was a liberal and a redditor who came here and was rehabilitated. Granted I didn’t come here to fight
I was a liberal when I went to the subreddit, also not to pick a fight, so don’t think I was trying to call out people in your position.
I didn’t genuinely think you were calling people like me out lol :P
This is genuinely the answer to OP. The intelligent libs didn’t stay libs when they got here
The only example I can remember is on another instance, around a year ago maybe. It was a surprisingly civil conversation between a liberal and some hexbears about the Korean War. The liberal actually knew dates and names of specific documents, knew the names of people on either side, knew stuff about 1950s diplomacy. So i was impressed. There was also a surprising lack of portraying North Korea as a cartoonish dictatorship where haircuts are illegal.
The liberal still used a liberal framework though and was completely wrong. Any bare level scrutiny over the claims would reveal them as imperialist and racist, but it’s possibly the only time I saw a liberal around here have at least the bare minimum of a presentable argument.
Some libs can be better than a class reductionist commie. But with some of the posts on this site, you generally don’t get the good faith libs. I hear plenty of bad takes here (sometimes I’m the one making them) and it only takes a random lib to wander in and be right once or twice.
yes, but they wouldn’t be labelled a lib so this is a logical impossibility.
also, confirmation bias is at play here.
Libs IRL
i can believe that, some PMC are very good at their jobs
in other online spaces
nah
There’s a few r/neoliberal power posters who put some effort in and have seemingly done some reading.
non-zero chance they get paid for that lol
I specifically remember a liberal that posted here having kind of a decent response to an argument I made. I don’t even remember what the topic was, but I specifically remember being annoyed by it and feeling a bit b*tched out when a fellow hexbear swooped in to basically cover my ass (but also continue to back me up if I ever show the slightest weakness please).
Broadly though, the liberals that come here are all needlessly butt-hurt people that got super obsessively mad over some shit they saw posted, and essentially come to us pre-cooked in their desperation to “get even” emotionally.
I tend to assume most of the smart liberals are self-assured enough to not really care enough about us to post here.
i think if we’d managed to stay federated with like 90% of the annoying instances we probably would’ve gotten one or two over the years. unfortunately our posting power was too strong to sail undetected
One or two, in exchange for hundreds of just the most shit takes that they hear or read from the mainstream media or “common wisdom”
yeah but i like seeing & dunking on the shit takes
I feel like we always get ones that are impossibly embarrassingly smug, like to the point where if they said the sky was blue I’d avoid mentioning my opinions on the sky’s colour to avoid association
The smartest lib I’ve ever encountered basically copy-pasted the technical definition of production functions and tried to use it as a bludgeon in defense of marginalism, that’s it, I’ve literally never encountered any lib here or on the old sub who ever approached that level of misguided articulation
It’s genuinely hilarious how badly miseducated libs on lemmy are, I’ve yet to see a single one give a convincing definition of the main terms we use, let alone back up their supposedly grounded opposition to our ideologies, they can’t even define their own ideology
I have yet to see anything more sophisticated than “the other guy is worse, though”
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