Oh ya the sultans were kind of a bunch of dipshits “lol let’s use slaves to fight our wars and give them a bunch of guns and access to plunder what could possibly go wrong surely they would never resent me, the sultan, since I’m literally the best (everybody is saying it)”
I mean it worked really well until the ottoman empire stopped expanding. They operated by taking orphans from recently conquered areas and conscripting them. Once the new piece of land became more incorporated and there weren’t enough orphans anymore they’d have to move on to the next place. Once expansion stopped for a long enough period of time they had to reform the Janissaries into a hereditary organization which both eroded their effectiveness in battle, and gave them political power.
Basically every single Ottoman institution was based around the assumption of conquest. And, to be fair, they continually expanded their borders for 400 years. Their decline took another 200 years after that. Liberal capitalism is only 200 years old and its already starting to decline so the ottomans were pretty baller by comparison.
i think mamluks and the separation of military and interior concerns within various Islamic states of the period are very interesting developments tbh. it was a very interesting aspect of reading Debt. part of the core notion there was hacking around the no muslims killing muslims rule in Islam. what do you do when the other caliphate has shit you want? simply send our christian slave army to fight them of course! but then, this also is the kind of thing that allowed the interesting proto-capitalist economy based on mutual cooperation to come into existing, and the islamic world to innovate checks that could be written in Mali and cashed in Iran. especially this is interesting when you compare it to the 10’s of thousands of tiny feudal territories that Europe was carved into at the same time.
The sultanate existed until 1920, there are a lot of fascists reminiscing about the days when Turkey was an empire. The “rule britannica” analogue I guess. Or Reichsbürger in germany. Seriously every country in europe has them I think.
Turkey was an empire a bit over a hundred years ago and whatever brainworms you can find in Britain, Spain, France, Germany, Italy etc. you can also find there. Turkey is an oppressor nation.
it’s funny because all of their current geopolitical relevance is tied up in their former position relative to the ussr and its current position relative to russia, and that is so broken that it’s been in the hands of one plutocrat for the last 25 years. these dumbass ottoman revisionists don’t understand that they already have the corrupt theocratic monarchy they’re dreaming about, they’re just obsessed with the aesthetic characteristics and upset about and that people don’t like lebased grey wolf genocidaires anymore. even though they do.
They don’t have the theocratic monarchy they’re dreaming about because they don’t own land that belongs to another nation. The while point of empire. Or at least they don’t think they do, since they dont think about kurdistans occupied territory as another nations.
an ottoman neo-monarchist using standpoint theory for evil. we’re innovating new kinds of guys at an alarming clip
Ottomans did have some pretty dope ass uniforms, though.
This is the guy Tzar Nicholas told you not to worry about.
no particular shade to the ottomans, it’s just like, a funny kind of guy to be into the sultan these days. 1453, best year of my life
Oh ya the sultans were kind of a bunch of dipshits “lol let’s use slaves to fight our wars and give them a bunch of guns and access to plunder what could possibly go wrong surely they would never resent me, the sultan, since I’m literally the best (everybody is saying it)”
I mean it worked really well until the ottoman empire stopped expanding. They operated by taking orphans from recently conquered areas and conscripting them. Once the new piece of land became more incorporated and there weren’t enough orphans anymore they’d have to move on to the next place. Once expansion stopped for a long enough period of time they had to reform the Janissaries into a hereditary organization which both eroded their effectiveness in battle, and gave them political power.
Basically every single Ottoman institution was based around the assumption of conquest. And, to be fair, they continually expanded their borders for 400 years. Their decline took another 200 years after that. Liberal capitalism is only 200 years old and its already starting to decline so the ottomans were pretty baller by comparison.
i think mamluks and the separation of military and interior concerns within various Islamic states of the period are very interesting developments tbh. it was a very interesting aspect of reading Debt. part of the core notion there was hacking around the no muslims killing muslims rule in Islam. what do you do when the other caliphate has shit you want? simply send our christian slave army to fight them of course! but then, this also is the kind of thing that allowed the interesting proto-capitalist economy based on mutual cooperation to come into existing, and the islamic world to innovate checks that could be written in Mali and cashed in Iran. especially this is interesting when you compare it to the 10’s of thousands of tiny feudal territories that Europe was carved into at the same time.
God: Oh shit o fuck they outsmarted me! I’VE BEEN FOILED AGAIN! Hopefully they don’t find out about the poophole loophole…
The sultanate existed until 1920, there are a lot of fascists reminiscing about the days when Turkey was an empire. The “rule britannica” analogue I guess. Or Reichsbürger in germany. Seriously every country in europe has them I think.
Turkey was an empire a bit over a hundred years ago and whatever brainworms you can find in Britain, Spain, France, Germany, Italy etc. you can also find there. Turkey is an oppressor nation.
it’s funny because all of their current geopolitical relevance is tied up in their former position relative to the ussr and its current position relative to russia, and that is so broken that it’s been in the hands of one plutocrat for the last 25 years. these dumbass ottoman revisionists don’t understand that they already have the corrupt theocratic monarchy they’re dreaming about, they’re just obsessed with the aesthetic characteristics and upset about
and that people don’t like lebased grey wolf genocidaires anymore. even though they do.
They don’t have the theocratic monarchy they’re dreaming about because they don’t own land that belongs to another nation. The while point of empire. Or at least they don’t think they do, since they dont think about kurdistans occupied territory as another nations.